My Front Dana 70 Build

[sandawgk5]

The D60 35 spline shaft fits 9" 35 spline lockers.

Tru hi9s with Bobby-longs in a 609 setup. I would have more in axles than I had in the rest of my rig put together.

I wonder how that conversation would go over with the wifey

Dik

 

[truehi9]

I'd imagine your wife would be glad you made an investment into your rig.

 

[thatK30guy]

Just some actual facts for everyone.

Currie built a high pinion third member that uses 8.8 Ford gears out of the front of Explorers that retrofit into a 9" Ford housing. That is why they say what they say about the strength.

We ( www.truehi9.com ) are the ONLY people building an actual high pinion 9". We sold the first one in August of 2004.

A large number of big name winning comp teams have since switched to our Hi9 from high pinion D60s. They pay full price for our stuff when a lot of them can have sponsored high pinion D60s. I do not believe they would pay for something that is weaker if they could get something stronger for free or at least a substantially reduced cost.

I assume other companies didn't build it since they would have not only had to built the third member casting but also multiple gearsets. High cost, low profit. The reason why we can't sponsor people. The money is in the product, not advertising.

Careful....some members may take this post as you pimping your stuff without a vendor tag.

 

[truehi9]

For someone to think that, considering I joined in September 2005 and made my first posts in March 2008 to clarify some misinformation, they would have to be sort of petty. IMO

 

[thatK30guy]

Regardless of when you joined, nobody would even remember someone who only has 4 posts. I'm just saying "watch out", thats all. I'm not threatening you.

 

[truehi9]

My point was that all my posts are in this thread and were posted today. If my intention was to "pimp" I would have done so years ago.

Thanks for the warning though.

 

[jonrpick]

My point was that all my posts are in this thread and were posted today. If my intention was to "pimp" I would have done so years ago.

Thanks for the warning though.

FWIW, it'd probably be worth it to sign up as a vendor. Most of us tend to look toward the CK5 vendors for something first, and it sounds like you have a good product.

Just my $.02.

 

[truehi9]

CDA 455

I was just responding to the misinformation earlier in this thread that people made about a Hi9. People confuse ours with Curries quite a bit and that isn't good info.

I'm not saying anyone should or shouldn't use ours or a Dana.

As far as not catching on, we just barely keep up with the sales so even though its not big on this site it is a good option for a lot of people.


jonrpick

I'm not here looking for sales. If I were I would have made "pimping" posts on here long ago.

It seems strange however that people can make commets on these forums (taking Curries 8.8 HP info and mixing it in with our Hi9, its like saying a D44 is x strong so a Dana 60 must be X strong also) that are incorrect and then the person building the product should pay to give facts.



p.s. Most forums have welcomed me with open arms, I guess this is not one of those.



Looking back and rereading this may help

Curries
http://www.currieenterprises.com/cestore/curriechp.aspx

uses 8.8 gears out of an explorer

Truehi9
http://www.truehi9.com/

uses 9 inch gears with the third bearing and a thrustblock

the first LARGE photo here http://www.truehi9.com/gears2.html shows the difference


8.8" sized gear far left 9" sized gears third from left

 

[supersize75k5]

im sure all of us like seeing a nw product, we have open arms, we just like supporting vendors


interesting product too

 

[Hogback Fabrication]

My take on it is; Why do people still look to the Dana 60 (And even 44) for their front axle?

Cost has to be a big factor. Bang for the buck.

That and the time and fabrication involved with creating a hybrid axle. Most people just want an axle that will bolt under their truck.


Of course its tough to beat a D60 as far as bang for the buck goes.


Oh, and sorry for starting your thread on this tangent

 

[jonrpick]

jonrpick

I'm not here looking for sales. If I were I would have made "pimping" posts on here long ago.

I know... I understood that. I'm saying you should be here looking for sales, as there's a lot of folks here that probably don't know about your products. This is a good place.

I also think you're misunderstanding the intent of the posts. Nobody is not welcoming you with "open arms". We like our vendors and it would be cool if you joined their ranks. You were simply notified (in a very calm, cool manner) that the powers that be (ie: the site's owner and the moderators) frown on someone "pimping" a product without a vendor tag. You've made it clear that you're not here trying to sell a product, simply that you're trying to clear up any misinformation about it.

I don't see what the problem is...

 

[jonrpick]

That and the time and fabrication involved with creating a hybrid axle. Most people just want an axle that will bolt under their truck.

Of course its tough to beat a D60 as far as bang for the buck goes.

Oh, and sorry for starting your thread on this tangent

My take is...nothing about the mods being performed on our trucks is "easy", like simply bolting in another axle. Lifting, for example, requires a lot of thought and consideration for how the taller suspension will affect other aspects of the truck.

The trucks are modified for a specific hobby, and although cost is a factor, performance is #1. Why lift and add bigger tires?? Better performance in certain types of terrain. I'm all for new ideas that can further increase performance, or different ways of doing things.

I'm not suggesting the Hi-9, or D60, or whatever is the way to go... just throwing out food for thought.

 

[mikey_d05]

Sorry to derail the thread further Clem, but this whole thing cracks me up. A 9" couldn't possibly be as strong as even a 60 because the ring gear is 3/4" smaller in diameter. Give me a break.

Wes, do some research on the 9, there is a reason that they're the axles of choice in applications that require lightweight, high strength components that cost more than a junk yard piece. There's more to strength than just ring gear diameter. That's like saying a pot-metal stock rockwell shaft is stronger than a 300M D60 shaft because the rockwell shaft is slightly larger in diameter.

If you click on the link below, it is an image straight off of hi-9's website. Hi-9 5.14 gears on the left, HP60 5.13's on the right.

http://www.truehi9.com/DSCF0808.JPG

The hi-9's HAVE been proven. (The true hi-9's, not Currie's HP 8.8) I can only remember hearing of three of them breaking. Two were a front and rear on a comp. vehicle that were in a ratio that the owner (who posted here) specifically told people was weaker by far than all of the other ratios because of Richmond's design. I believe that problem has since been corrected. The other was in the rear of a 500+HP southern tube buggy running sticky Krawlers...and I know you guys have seen vids of how they drive.

Sorry, but the reason there aren't more 9's on the trail is that people are lazy and cheap, plain and simple.

Back to your regularly scheduled badass D70 front thread.

 

[mikey_d05]

Oh, and Wes, in case you decide to ignore the facts, here's a little something more for ya.

http://www.truehi9.com/megahi9.html

 

[CDA 455]

Sorry to derail the thread further Clem, but this whole thing cracks me up. A 9" couldn't possibly be as strong as even a 60 because the ring gear is 3/4" smaller in diameter. Give me a break.

Mikey, you know my skill level so bare with me !

Regarding you above statement: Why do door-slammer dragsters still use the Ford 9 inch rearend? My fab-guy owns a '64 Nova that does 7.4 sec. quarter mile with about 1200HP and has a 9 inch rearend.

Wes, do some research on the 9, there is a reason that they're the axles of choice in applications that require lightweight, high strength components that cost more than a junk yard piece. There's more to strength than just ring gear diameter. That's like saying a pot-metal stock rockwell shaft is stronger than a 300M D60 shaft because the rockwell shaft is slightly larger in diameter.

If you click on the link below, it is an image straight off of hi-9's website. Hi-9 5.14 gears on the left, HP60 5.13's on the right.

http://www.truehi9.com/DSCF0808.JPG

The hi-9's HAVE been proven. (The true hi-9's, not Currie's HP 8.8) I can only remember hearing of three of them breaking. Two were a front and rear on a comp. vehicle that were in a ratio that the owner (who posted here) specifically told people was weaker by far than all of the other ratios because of Richmond's design. I believe that problem has since been corrected. The other was in the rear of a 500+HP southern tube buggy running sticky Krawlers...and I know you guys have seen vids of how they drive.

Good point.

Sorry, but the reason there aren't more 9's on the trail is that people are lazy and cheap, plain and simple.

I find this kind of an insulting statement .

One can not compare the bang-for-the-buck options of a D60/14BFF set vs. a pair of $2300 third members. How about the rest of the axle?????

Just because it's an awesome, proven product, doesn't mean it will be successful with its intended market. Other factors are involved.

Numero uno is money.

 

[CDA 455]

Oh, and Wes, in case you decide to ignore the facts, here's a little something more for ya.

http://www.truehi9.com/megahi9.html

Screw the facts; money talks.

 

[1967k10]

Evidentily no-one has seen a broken 9"er . I mean I've seen broken D60's too but a broken 9" in a stock 79 ford is not acceptable and some of you think it should replace a D60 .

Keep us posted on the D70F. I have one too but it's for sale due to lack of time and $$$$ to spend on my truggy right now .

 

[mikey_d05]

Mikey, you know my skill level so bare with me !

Regarding you above statement: Why do door-slammer dragsters still use the Ford 9 inch rearend? My fab-guy owns a '64 Nova that does 7.4 sec. quarter mile with about 1200HP and has a 9 inch rearend.

Good point.

I find this kind of an insulting statement .

One can not compare the bang-for-the-buck options of a D60/14BFF set vs. a pair of $2300 third members. How about the rest of the axle?????

Just because it's an awesome, proven product, doesn't mean it will be successful with its intended market. Other factors are involved.

Numero uno is money.

I'm sort of confused by your first question, the strength, adaptability, and aftermarket support for 9's is there even if the car doesn't need the weight savings.

Not meant to be insulting. When people are starting with an existing rig, they just want an axle that will bolt up, end of story. I was included in this group, as bought a D60/14BFF combo to put under my K5.

I guess I should have added that a lot of people don't even consider 9's because they just don't see them as HD axles. Yes, I've seen a couple of blown up 9's, but both of them shredded mini-spools and the resulting pieces floating around the diff. did the rest. I would love to see pics of 9's that just flat out stripped the R&P without any other carnage causing it.

Yes, building custom 9's can get very expensive. I priced it out and I could have as much in front and rear steering 9's as I'm going to have in my entire buggy. BUT, for a full width front axle, you can use the 9" chunk and housing, and off the shelf D60 parts for the rest of it. It appears that you're essentially building an axle from scratch anyways...

Sorry to take the hijack so far Clem, it just drives me nuts when I see long time members spouting crap. A newer member might take that as gospel and spread misinformation. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me, I don't want to derail this any farther.

 

[1967k10]

I can get some pic's. It's closed knuckle but I had the intent to cut them off and run Dendenbears or Cranes.

Do you have pics of your D70F?

 

[thatK30guy]

Mikey, and anyone else, why are you guys directing quotes and links to me about the differences between the 9" and D70?
I could care less right now. Go back and re-read my posts.