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Need help with the e-brake on a 14B

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Derf00

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After 6 yrs of inspecting my '90 Jimmy that has had a 14b swap done to it, the State of Texas has decided that my e-brake must work. Does anybody have a working e-brake in the stock position, using the 14b cables that works? Mine works about half a$$, but will not hold the vehicle.

Are there any simple fixes available?
 
I do not have a disc conversion and I am still running the 241. I did a search, but did not find what I was looking for. I know with the disc conversion or running a 205 the e-brakes can be made to work.
 
I did this when I had drum brakes, all you have to do is pull your cables from your 10 bolt backing plates and swap them in place of the bolt in style cables on your 14 FF. I'm sorry I don'thave pics, but from what I can remember I took the cables off my 10 bolt backing plates (its a pain in the a$$ to get those little push through keepers off without destroying them but it can be done) and poped them in.
Both cables are the same length inside the drum and will interghange on the parking brake arm inside. When I did the 14FF swap I recall there being two basic types of e-brake setup. The new style which uses longer cables that run down the drivers side frame rail and the old style with two short cables that meet in the middle to a Y-mount kind of deal with a wire runing across the frame before making its way up to the pedal. On the short style e-brake cables on my 14FF they bolted into the backing plates, I believe I was able to unbolt these and put my 10bolt cables in place with the push in style keepers.

I'm writing this from memory so if something doesn't make sense or needs clarification post up or pm me. If somebody could take pictures of what they are working with I might be able to write this in a manner that makes more sense..... Hope this helps get ya'll pointed in the right direction.
 
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4X4HIGH said:
I have rear disc on my 14ff and the e-brake works with no problems and i used the factory 10 bolt cables. There are pics in my gallery showing them all hooked up. Here is a link for you.

http://coloradok5.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/12650/what/allfields/name/4x4high

http://coloradok5.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/12649/what/allfields/name/4x4high
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Where'd you get the bracket assemblies that connect the cable to the caliper?

I'm putting together the stuff I need for the disc brakes on my 14sf. The axle came with caliper mounting brackets welded on(courtesy of neverendingproject), I've got caddy calipers in from Napa, but still working out the e-brake connection. I'm probably going dremu's route


http://coloradok5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185592&highlight=caddy+part


but your setup looks a little more durable.

Kurtis
 
Okay, I haven't made myself clear as to what my problem is. My axle came off a '85 CUCV, I had to relocate the perches and shock mounts, but the brake cables work. My problem is that I have everything adjusted as far as it will go, and I still can not get "pull" on the cables to make the brakes hold the vehicle.
 
Ok, well maybe the cable stretch thingy fixes his problem, but what about me? What about my needs?

I have a 14BFF (stock drums) from a '79 Burb on my '91 K5. The axle has the older style parking brake cables, and the vehicle has the newer ones. What is the easiest and cheapest way to get them to play nice with each other? Can it be done, or should I just sell a kidney and get discs?
 
BGKYK5,

I don't know the exact years that will work, but the e-brake cables that came on a 1980 1 ton axle will work with the new e-brake cable that you have on your '91. Mine is a '90 and the cables run down the drivers side and they were a bolt up to my 1980 CUCV axle.
 
chalet2506 said:
Where'd you get the bracket assemblies that connect the cable to the caliper?

I'm putting together the stuff I need for the disc brakes on my 14sf. The axle came with caliper mounting brackets welded on(courtesy of neverendingproject), I've got caddy calipers in from Napa, but still working out the e-brake connection. I'm probably going dremu's route


http://coloradok5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185592&highlight=caddy+part


but your setup looks a little more durable.

Kurtis
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I pulled the brackets and springs from both a Caddy seville and also a Caddy fleetwood. It requires the bracket from one side of those cars and the opposite bracket from the other car. Once you look at these models you'll understand why you can't take BOTH brackets from the same car.

To keep you and anyone else from searching the wrecking yards to see what i'm talking about i'll quickly explain myself.

Again, i can't remember which car is which way but basically the driver side caliper on lets say the seville mounts on the rear side of the axle and the e-brake cable comes in from the front side but the passenger side caliper mounts on the front side of the axle and the cable goes under the axle and make a u turn and then comes in from the rear so you can only use the driver side bracket from this car. Now the fleetwood mounts the driver side caliper on the front side of the axle and the passenger side on the rear side of the axle so you will need the passenger side bracket from this car.

I hope i made myself clear enough for you guys to understand.
 
Resurected Jimmy - When I last looked (I'm doing this from memory too) at the the e-brake cable on the '79 14BFF and '91 10B they attach to the backing plate in completely different ways. I am having trouble visualizing what you are describing. So there is a way to adapt the cable from a new style 10B to an old style 14BFF? If I had both axles in the same place, It would be easier to figure out how it would work :)

Derf - It was a direct bolt up? That should be the same as mine which don't look like they could bolt up.

Here are diagrams of both styles of e-brake cables from LMC.

http://www.lmctruck.com/icatalog/bzc/0134.asp

Just kidding by the way about my "needs". Sarcasm doesn't always translate well on the web. Thanks guys.
 
OK Jimmy, I reread it a third time and it is slowly starting to make its way through my thick skull. My parts truck has a functioning e-brake with a 10B, my project truck has a 14BFF and no e-brake cables (see sig). I'll have to get them side by side and roll around on the ground under them and scratch my head a bit to get the rest.
 
From what I remember.... if you just unbolt the early style cables from the backing plate and run your later style cables through the hole until the little pop in place keeper thing locks in, they will work. When I did this swap I don't remember having to change backing plates or anything like that. Just unbolt the two bolts from the earlier style backing plate cable and take alook at the hole where the cable runs through and it should make sense.

I really should go back and simplify my earlier post..... I made it way more comlicated than it is.
 
Thanks, assuming I get the project truck up and running before they ban gasoline, I'll give it a shot.
 
BGKYK5 said:
Thanks, assuming I get the project truck up and running before they ban gasoline, I'll give it a shot.
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No doubt! Love it :D I think I found a sig! Oh and subscribing...
 
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