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Did my oil change yesterday and knew I had a leaky drain plug so I bought a new fancy little drain plug with a built in rubber gasket. So, my two questions are this: The new drain plug didn't fix the leak so to stop the small drip I used a bit of RTV with the new plug; do you see a problem with this? Next, I have a 400sbc and didn't have my chit organized and ended up putting 6 quarts :doah:of RP synthetic in the case. The stick shows 1/4" above the full line; Any problem here with too much oil???? If so, how can you get oil out of the engine with out messing with the drain plug? Take the oil filter off and dump out what is in there??? Thanks fellas.
 
I don't know about the other stuff, but removing the filter will be messier than the drain plug. Maybe take the plug out and swap the old one back in temporarily to keep most of the oil in there while you clean the RTV off the new one?

Does the new one have a rubber washer or a copper washer?
 
that little extra amount of oil is not going to hurt anything, not more than a full quart i believe.

now if you were to have dropped all 6 quarts in, then yeah, i would say remove some.

if the RTV seals it, COOL, it worked :D
 
I agree... you should be fine with the extra 1/4"... Although you might end up fighting a leak because of it.

As for the rtv it should work as long as it's black rtv.
 
I don't know about the other stuff, but removing the filter will be messier than the drain plug. Maybe take the plug out and swap the old one back in temporarily to keep most of the oil in there while you clean the RTV off the new one?

Does the new one have a rubber washer or a copper washer?

The original plug hole in the pan and plug itself each had a white/clear gasket in the pan and washer on the plug that mated together to seal it up but with heat and time the gasket on the pan deteriorated to nothing so I just used several other aftermarket "washers" (plastic type) that sealed it for awhile. I went the getto route and tried the new rubber washer/plug and it still leaked but the black RTV along with it seems to keep it leak free. Guess I may need a new pan next time around.

I agree... you should be fine with the extra 1/4"... Although you might end up fighting a leak because of it.

As for the rtv it should work as long as it's black rtv.

It is a 1/4" on the dipstick and it was a full 6 quarts. Since I "fixed the leak maybe I'll just take the filter off and dump the excess. What would happen if engine has too much oil in pan. I heard the crank can/will ariate (sp) the oil and the pump won't be as effective or something?
 
yeah, i was having a brainfart moment about the 6 quart comment, not thinkin that usually they take about 5 qts anyways...

still, an extra quart really isn't going to do much, but yes if you go adding too much excess oil it gets thrown around too much, doesn't do any justice on seals and whatnot.

still i think you are fine, i have gotten in the habbit of adding alittle more in my Burb the past few months due to a serious oil burn issue, haven't had any leaks from seals or gaskets yet.

but then again, now that the trans is dead AGAIN, it's not being driven:crazy:
 
I dunno about a quart too much, but I always end up with a half a quart more since I mostly fill up the oil filter before installing it(5.5 quarts total).

I think it is time for a new pan if the rubber gasket on the fill plug doesn't seal the leak.. avoid the chrome crap. If your rear main is leaking, might as well replace it at the same time, when I did it my old K5 the pan seemed like most of the work. Fel-Pro one piece gaskets are nice too :D
 
I dunno about a quart too much, but I always end up with a half a quart more since I mostly fill up the oil filter before installing it(5.5 quarts total).

I think it is time for a new pan if the rubber gasket on the fill plug doesn't seal the leak.. avoid the chrome crap. If your rear main is leaking, might as well replace it at the same time, when I did it my old K5 the pan seemed like most of the work. Fel-Pro one piece gaskets are nice too :D

You are right Jonathon. I do need to get a new pan and the current one is chrome crappy one. Since my rear main does leak it all really does need to be done. I'll just wait till after my wheeling trip in June and do it then. Hell, i kinda like the leaky rear main as it keeps the underside from rusting.:doah:
 
That's the thing I hate about Chrome.. my K5 came with chrome valve covers.. they never sealed till I sanded it all off. Even the cheap chrome is too slick :doah:
 
It is a 1/4" on the dipstick and it was a full 6 quarts. Since I "fixed the leak maybe I'll just take the filter off and dump the excess. What would happen if engine has too much oil in pan. I heard the crank can/will ariate (sp) the oil and the pump won't be as effective or something?


Explain that theory. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. An extra quart isn't going to submerge any more of the crank... correct me if I'm wrong but don't pistons already dip a ring in the oil?

If your gonna drain some oil then just crack the plug until you get some oil coming out. If you pull the filter it'll be a mess.
 
The pistons arent submerged in oil,if so the turbelence and foaming in the pan would be massive. The pump supplies the crank,pistons,pins,rings top end with the needed oil.
About the gasket... Personally a rubber washer type gasket would IMO be prone to tearing or ripping apart upon tightening the plug. I use if nothing else a piece of gasket material and a hole punch set to make new ones for whatever needed and never have had any leaks. Some of the newer stuff had machined drain plugs to accept a "O" ring which works great but with a flat type face plug no way will it seal without tearing.
 
Explain that theory. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. An extra quart isn't going to submerge any more of the crank... correct me if I'm wrong but don't pistons already dip a ring in the oil?

If your gonna drain some oil then just crack the plug until you get some oil coming out. If you pull the filter it'll be a mess.


To tell you the truth I could be totally wrong about my statement but quite awhile back I thought I heard/read something about some part of the drivetrain being overfilled with oil (i know it's bad to overfill the tranny) and it was not good for that component. I'll have to see if I can find what I saw. However there is a full line on the dipstick and I'm sure it's there for a reason as if there wasn't people would either be wasting money on adding excessive oil or think the more oil the better. Don't know just throwing that out there.
 
Explain that theory. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. An extra quart isn't going to submerge any more of the crank... correct me if I'm wrong but don't pistons already dip a ring in the oil?

If your gonna drain some oil then just crack the plug until you get some oil coming out. If you pull the filter it'll be a mess.


Oil rings only regulate the amount of oil on the cylinder walls, the oil itself is either slung up in the cylinders by the crank or sprayed up by oil jets.

My understanding is that too much oil in the crank will actually hamper lubrication as the fill level recommendation is the point where the crank edges will catch the optimal amount. In addition, filling the crank case to the point that the pistons would actually submerge could effectively hydro-lock the motor from the inside out.

In either case, I doubt an extra quart or so would really be of any consequence.
 
Here is what I read awhile back. Don't remember the pic of engine but he sums it up pretty good. But, I don't think the one quart extra in the 400sbc will hurt too much. I'll still empty some out though.


Checking the oil in your engine, and topping up.

wheretheoilis.jpg
Note that this section only applies to wet sump engines - the type found in most consumer vehicles. For more info on sump types, see Wet sumps vs. dry sumps below.
To a lot of people, this little section could be categorised by the rearranging the words "granny eggs teaching suck your to". But you'd be surprised by the number of people that don't know how to do even this basic task. When checking the level of oil in the engine, the car should be on a level plane, and should be relatively cold. I've run into several people lately who insist in keeping the crankcase topped off completely, and they invariably check the dipstick just after shutting down the engine. Reading the oil in this way results in an erroneous reading because a quantity of oil (usually about half a litre) is still confined in the oilways and passages (galleries) of the engine, and takes some time to drain back into the crankcase. (On the image, the blue areas are where oil is likely to still be running back down to the sump). On seeing what appears to be an abnormally low level on the dipstick, these people then add more oil to the oil filler at the top of the engine. The oilways and passages all empty, and suddenly the engine becomes over-filled with oil, going way above the 'MAX' mark on the dipstick.
What happens when an engine is overfilled with oil?

So you topped up the engine when it was warm after getting a faulty dipstick reading, or you put too much oil in when you changed it yourself. What's the worst that could happen? Well the problem with this is that the next time the engine is run, the windage in the crankcase and other pressures generated by the oil pump, etc. place a great strain on the seal on the rear main bearing.
Eventually, often much sooner than the ordinary man in the street might expect, the rear main bearing seal ruptures, and the engine becomes a 'leaker'. If you've got a manual gearbox, this means one thing: this oil goes right onto the flywheel and the face of the clutch disc. A lubricated clutch is A Bad Thing. If this still goes unnoticed, the front seal is the next to go, and the engine then becomes a 'gusher' (or to be more colourful, it starts pissing oil all over the place). As well as smothering the clutch with oil from the rear, the oil now coming from the front leak will be neatly distributed about the engine bay as it hits the front pulley - often propelling it out as far as the brake discs. At the same time as this Hollywood disaster movie is unfolding outside the engine, things aren't working out any better on the inside. As you can see from the diagram, the correct oil level is really close to the rotating crank. Overfilling will mean the crank dips into the oil and churns it into a froth. Froth is good on certain types of coffee but not good in an engine. The mixture of aerated oil will be forced into the bearings and in case you didn't know, air is not a lubricant. Typically this means that bearing damage will follow quite rapidly, especially if you are driving on a motorway. You'll know bearing damage when you get it. The engine smells like a garage mechanic cooking over an open flame and the noise coming from the engine is the sort of thing you'd normally hear in vaudeville plays when a piano is pushed down a flight of stairs. As if that all wasn't bad enough, the excess oil gets
 
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