Here is the first of 5 pics, this is when we moved in 3 months ago and you can see the old, low retaining wall held there with sticky creosoe covered railroad ties /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif This is a close up of the ugly railroad ties ( and Jennie a.k.a. Prego /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif ) here is after 3 weeks of digging and busting rock hell ( the property is an ols riverbed.) and bringing in 500 blocks and 5 yards of dirt. here is neighbors watching and helping me level the topsoil. finished and ready to seed tomorrow !!! wooo-hooo!