Wrote this whole post under the "Gentleman Jim" thread--and AOL froze up,and it didn't go thru (Mother F'ers! )...hate it when it does that,and it does it every day just about..anyway.. I stopped and looked at a 1985 GMC 4x4 with a plow the other day...it was covered in pine needles ,had a "for sale" sign on its drivers window..so I figured I'd take a peek--hoping maybe it was cheep,and I could buy it and spruce it up some and sell it for more...but it was pretty rotted,the rockers were hanging down and touching the ground--cab corners were all boogered on with globs of weld,and the undersides and frame were all barnacly..not something I'd want really.. The owner was raking leaves--said "it needs a tranny,its JUNK--I was plowing for 2 days straight right after I had it rebuilt--when I backed up,I saw a ton of ATF and metal parts in the snow!..now it wont move!"--I looked under it,it had a TH350,and it was broken in half!..then the guy says "I'd put a motor AND a tranny in it --the motor is noisy and smokes!"...gee,what a BARGAIN for "only" 1500 bucks!... I would give 400 for it for parts at most!..It does have a working western plow setup and decent doors,new tires on aluminum rims too--but I think it was only a 1/2 ton,and had a flatbed,not a factory bed..not much left to work with really--I see better ones go in the crusher every day!.. I did score the original seat from it--the guy put custom power buckets in the truck,and left its bench seat in the woods behind the truck--I knew a guy who needs a seat,and he was glad to give it to me,said he'd only toss it anyway!...but I wish him lots of luck getting 1500 for a beaten rotted plow truck that needs a motor and tranny (and lord knows what else!)...if he gets 1500 for that truck,then my 82 K20 is worth 6 grand... I'm beginning to think I sold my C10 too cheap in a way--I got 900 for it,and the new owner said he looked all summer for a truck under 1000 bucks that he could actually DRIVE!..all he found were rotboxes,or they needed motor or tranny work!..mine was the first one he saw that was actually registered and being daily driven for the money!... He did not try haggling me over the price,and didn't whine about a few minor things that gave trouble after the sale,like the power steering pump resivior developing a leak--he even gave me back the tires and mag wheels I had on it when I sold it!--he had 31x10.5-15's on a G10 van he was junking,and decided to run those for the winter instead,and plans on buying beefy snow tires soon anyway--he even helped me dispose of some old bias ply studded snows and rusty wheels to roll his van to the boneyard with!..not many guys like that left around here..I might have sold it a bit cheep,but at least he likes the truck,and has big plans for it.. But I can't belive what some folks think a truck that is JUNK and has to be TOWED home is worth!..I wished that guy lots of luck getting 1500,or even HALF of that!...but I had to look,I'm a sucker for an abandoned GM truck,especially if it has 4wd,and a plow!..I've had enough rotted ones though..no more for me..sometimes I stumble upon a diamond in the rough for cheep money--not this time!.