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Project Snow Bear K20!

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Cili said:
What kind of service bed is that? Can you still fit a 4x8 sheet of ply wood in the center?
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Sure can, the inside dimensions are a little over 4x8. It's actually a Stepside bed with the fender flares removed and tool boxes added. It's a fairly rare aftermarket part from the 70's. I had never seen one in person until this one. This one will get a heavy steel floor to replace the wood slats. Some of the tool boxes are rusty on the bottom so I plan to re-sheet them and angle the rear boxes at 45 degrees for a better departure angle. It will get an overhead rack as well
 
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Vombrown said:
Sure can, the inside dimensions are a little over 4x8. It's actually a Stepside bed with the fender flares removed and tool boxes added. It's a fairly rare aftermarket part from the 70's. I had never seen one in person until this one. This one will get a heavy steel floor to replace the wood slats. Some of the tool boxes are rusty on the bottom so I plan to re-sheet them and angle the rear boxes at 45 degrees for a better departure angle. It will get an overhead rack as well
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That’s cool, I’d like something low profile like that for my ‘72.
 
Cili said:
That’s cool, I’d like something low profile like that for my ‘72.
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They are out there but super rare. Someone else on here has one on a 70 something c-20. It's about the best of both worlds. Hunt the junk yards and craigslist. You'll find one.
 
Headed out this morning to pick up my 500.00 nv4500...LOL I have this growing pile of parts building up on the trailer. Then of course it decides to snow for three days. Working outside sucks, have I mentioned that? Spring and a new shop can't get here fast enough.
 
I was curious as to how you are going to power your PTO winch. For the first 45 years of my live, every 4wd vehicle my family owned or I drove had a shaft drive PTO winch.
Starting with my old '60 model CJ5 with its optional Konig winch.
It also had a PTO unit on the back that would drive a bush hog type mower. I never used that part, but it had to be engaged to use the winch. One day I managed to bend the rear shaft on a stump, and could not use the winch.
So I removed the rear shaft and never replaced it.
It was just too vulnerable.
Then, in 1979, I bought an F150 and mounted a big 12,000# Braden on the front.
Ran a 1 inch shaft from the 205 to the winch. I welded an arm on the frame about half way down and mounted a pillow block on it for support.
It worked great, but there was a nice, though unintended, side effect.
When the load was such that the cable was about to break on the outside or next down wrap, the arm would flex just enough to let one of the U-joints tap on a crossmember.
When I heard that, I would kick the transmission into neutral and evaluate the situation. Usually it meant that my truck or the other truck was hung up on something.

I loved that setup. I did some terrible things with it. Including spinning my truck upside down by mistake once.

Then in 1989, it was time for a new truck. The old one was still going strong, but I wanted an upgrade so I bought an F250.
They did not use a 205 in '89, they used a Borg Warner 1356. But you could order it with a PTO option.
When it came in, it turned out they had discontinued that option due to case cracking.
I was extremely bummed out.
But I was able to replace it with a 205, so I figured I was back in business.
Then I discovered that they had redone the exhaust system to the point that there was no way to get a shaft up to the front.
So, I turned the PTO unit around and mounted a much too big hydraulic pump on it.
Added a tank under the tool box, bought a new winch complete with hydraulic motor from Sam Wyner motors, and with a valve and some hoses I was in business.

Worked fine for almost 30 years, but this hunting season I discovered a hole worn or rusted in my tank which I have not had time to replace, so the winch is inop right now.

Since I still have the old PTO winch which an hydraulic motor could be easily adapted to, I have often considered adding a valve and some hoses to give me a PTO on the rear, but have never gotten around to it.
It would eliminate the problem of a second shaft routing. Hose can be run anywhere as long as the exhaust pipe is considered.
 
Fordum said:
I was curious as to how you are going to power your PTO winch. For the first 45 years of my live, every 4wd vehicle my family owned or I drove had a shaft drive PTO winch.
Starting with my old '60 model CJ5 with its optional Konig winch.
It also had a PTO unit on the back that would drive a bush hog type mower. I never used that part, but it had to be engaged to use the winch. One day I managed to bend the rear shaft on a stump, and could not use the winch.
So I removed the rear shaft and never replaced it.
It was just too vulnerable.
Then, in 1979, I bought an F150 and mounted a big 12,000# Braden on the front.
Ran a 1 inch shaft from the 205 to the winch. I welded an arm on the frame about half way down and mounted a pillow block on it for support.
It worked great, but there was a nice, though unintended, side effect.
When the load was such that the cable was about to break on the outside or next down wrap, the arm would flex just enough to let one of the U-joints tap on a crossmember.
When I heard that, I would kick the transmission into neutral and evaluate the situation. Usually it meant that my truck or the other truck was hung up on something.

I loved that setup. I did some terrible things with it. Including spinning my truck upside down by mistake once.

Then in 1989, it was time for a new truck. The old one was still going strong, but I wanted an upgrade so I bought an F250.
They did not use a 205 in '89, they used a Borg Warner 1356. But you could order it with a PTO option.
When it came in, it turned out they had discontinued that option due to case cracking.
I was extremely bummed out.
But I was able to replace it with a 205, so I figured I was back in business.
Then I discovered that they had redone the exhaust system to the point that there was no way to get a shaft up to the front.
So, I turned the PTO unit around and mounted a much too big hydraulic pump on it.
Added a tank under the tool box, bought a new winch complete with hydraulic motor from Sam Wyner motors, and with a valve and some hoses I was in business.

Worked fine for almost 30 years, but this hunting season I discovered a hole worn or rusted in my tank which I have not had time to replace, so the winch is inop right now.

Since I still have the old PTO winch which an hydraulic motor could be easily adapted to, I have often considered adding a valve and some hoses to give me a PTO on the rear, but have never gotten around to it.
It would eliminate the problem of a second shaft routing. Hose can be run anywhere as long as the exhaust pipe is considered.
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I will be running mine off of a 205 transfer case with a rear facing PTO adapter. The winch will be tucked up inside the frame rails and exit through a fair lead where the tag is located. Driveline for it will be fairly short, I might not even need a pillow block in it. Not sure until I get it all in there. I have ran them on military vehicles for years. Electric winches are great for short term use, I love them on the front of a truck but PTO is for extended hard use. They don't get hot, they don't run your battery down and as long as the engine is running you got a winch. Rationally thinking if you need to use a winch, a rear winch is more practical. You want to get out of where you went, not deeper in. Also I do a good amount of "tail gunner" duty with my local club. I come in last and help extract the guys that couldn't get through. In those instances I can pull in ahead and winch them up. This truck will be built specifically as a Swiss Army knife. Do all, go anywhere with a middle finger in the air. I have a 10k pound electric that will be hidden behind the front bumper. The 20k Ramsey PTO will be the heavy lifter in the back. I do a lot of varied stuff from hauling logs up hills to dragging equipment around. To me it's absolutely worth it.
 
When I was trying to get the new truck setup, everybody kept telling me to just go electric. They made that two speed Ox winch that was rated at 20k I think, and all my friends kept saying that it was as much as I would ever need.
But I insisted on PTO. I knew what one could do, and even though I helped build some very strong home built winches, I still wanted PTO no matter what it took to get one. For me, the only advantage to electric is if you are drowned out in water and the motor won't run.
You can usually get yourself to a dry spot with an electric.

As for a rear mounted winch getting you out of trouble, I learned that lesson way back when I was a teenager. One of the first things I learned, was to always drive to a pull point. I dug out once, and walked out a couple of times with a perfectly good winch on the Jeep until I learned that.

Not driving into trouble I was a little smarter about. It only took one lesson. I managed to winch myself up to a large tree and was still stuck. Had to cut down the darn tree with an ax.
I did manage to drive forward into a huge boggy flat while turning around that required I winch in a big circle over about 3 hours of solid winching. But in my defense, I backed into it first the week before to be sure it would support my truck.
In the week between, the local river had risen and the water table had gone up. I figured I was in trouble when the doors would not open due to mud.......

That truck body brings back memories. At the plant my family owned, and I worked at for 20 years, we had 5 service trucks that used those bodies or some just like it. The only thing missing was the lift gates that each had.
Four of them were power up, gravity down. I liked them, they were fast. The other one was power up, power down. I kept a couple of big wooden blocks in the back. I could put them under the gate, lower it down, and raise the rear tires off the ground if one went flat.
 
Fordum said:
When I was trying to get the new truck setup, everybody kept telling me to just go electric. They made that two speed Ox winch that was rated at 20k I think, and all my friends kept saying that it was as much as I would ever need.
But I insisted on PTO. I knew what one could do, and even though I helped build some very strong home built winches, I still wanted PTO no matter what it took to get one. For me, the only advantage to electric is if you are drowned out in water and the motor won't run.
You can usually get yourself to a dry spot with an electric.

As for a rear mounted winch getting you out of trouble, I learned that lesson way back when I was a teenager. One of the first things I learned, was to always drive to a pull point. I dug out once, and walked out a couple of times with a perfectly good winch on the Jeep until I learned that.

Not driving into trouble I was a little smarter about. It only took one lesson. I managed to winch myself up to a large tree and was still stuck. Had to cut down the darn tree with an ax.
I did manage to drive forward into a huge boggy flat while turning around that required I winch in a big circle over about 3 hours of solid winching. But in my defense, I backed into it first the week before to be sure it would support my truck.
In the week between, the local river had risen and the water table had gone up. I figured I was in trouble when the doors would not open due to mud.......

That truck body brings back memories. At the plant my family owned, and I worked at for 20 years, we had 5 service trucks that used those bodies or some just like it. The only thing missing was the lift gates that each had.
Four of them were power up, gravity down. I liked them, they were fast. The other one was power up, power down. I kept a couple of big wooden blocks in the back. I could put them under the gate, lower it down, and raise the rear tires off the ground if one went flat.
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I gave thought to a lift gate but honestly it's not something I would use very much. The truck will have a boom hoist in the back with a small electric winch on it for picking up heavy stuff and swinging it around into the bed. I found one in a salvage yard bolted to a truck for 40 bucks. It's the really nice one I have seen on service trucks, always wanted to use one but never got around to it. This one is sitting on my trailer right now. As far as the tailgate goes I have designs for a few things to make my life a little easier. It will be a barn door setup made of square tubing and hinged onto the rear bumper. Spare tire will be located on one side and Hi-Lift Jack/ Jerry cans on the other. My plan is to work it into conjunction with the overhead rack for the bed. I'm not a very good artist or I would draw something up, for now it's all in my head.
 
Well today was a little rough. Got half way to pickup my new NV4500 and "Montana" set in. Snow, freezing rain and just nastiness. White out for over 30 miles. STILL, successful recovers. First pic is nv4500 goodness and the second is a quick pic I took while driving. NASTY. Got a free 241c transfer case, flywheel and all the goodies thrown into the deal. Good stuff.

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I remember when we had winter like that here too, scary driving conditions. Sweet score on those parts.
 
LNielson said:
I remember when we had winter like that here too, scary driving conditions. Sweet score on those parts.
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Didn't really need or want the 241c but it was free so I tossed it in the truck. I'm sure it will find a home eventually. I'm using a 205....maybe a doubler if I can scrounge the parts.
 
NWF eco box, take the guts out of that 241, next best thing to an ORD Magnum.
 
Wow, this thread brings back memories. My old '79 had a small removable boom hoist in it that I used fairly often. It was not as heavy as the one you are talking about, I think it limited out at 1000#, but was real handy.
Of course, back then, I could lift lots of weight by hand, and now that my hip limits me to about a case of Coca-Cola, I don't have a hoist. Never said I was smart....

However, I have always wanted one of these.

http://westernmule.com/bumper_cranes.html

My idea of winches, has always been to have a strong enough one on the front to pull me through to wherever I wanted to go, plus to be strong enough so that it would do all that with a full spool.
No double lines, no needing to be on a lower wrap to have enough pulling power.

But, while I have liked the idea of a rear winch, and actually have installed a couple on friend's trucks, I never figured I would need a lot of rear pull.
That hidden bumper hoist was my idea of the ideal setup. Good strong crane that was out of the way until needed. Heavy duty bumper with class IV hitch, and it could be used as a rear winch.
Of course, I would probably have to double block it to get enough pull, but worth it.
Still wish I had gotten one.
 
LNielson said:
NWF eco box, take the guts out of that 241, next best thing to an ORD Magnum.
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Just looked it up....man that thing isn't cheap. Keep in mind I am going GM NV4500 to Ford NP205 for the drivers drop and PTO. So if I stick something in there it has to go from GM to Ford.
 
ha typing at the same time.

Not cheap, but way cheaper than similar options, and perhaps not quite apples to apples either, but same concept.
 
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