thats a cheesy pun. LOL afer work tonight I got my tubing and mufflers all routed and hung on the wagon. Just need to weld it up. turned out better then I thought it would and pretty damn easy too. no cutting or cussing needed. total cost for 2.5" pipe (not mandrel bent but hey it's an off road rig and only a damn 305) $35 saves to do it yourself. cleared the t-case too. thanks to a 2" body. I'll post p[ics tomorrow when it is light enough to keep the camera happy. damn thing just flashes "low light"