OK I have to admit, crawling is a LOT more fun than I thought it would be. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif A guy I hooked up w/ on Florida4x4.com came up today w/ his buggy to play around my area. It started out life as a 94 YJ, but now its a 1ton 14/60 5.13 geared 38 TSLs and locked tube buggy. /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif Still sports the orig. 4 banger. HEHE! It only has 83000 miles on it! We went to the sand pits where we go some and played on the hills and such. I have never been off camber to speak of, so today was an experience to say the least. Major pucker factor. The side leaning was bad enuff but when he attacked a 4-5 foot vertical wall I almost lost control of my bodily functions. /forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif I seen nuttin but the blue sky! FRRRREAKED me out! Kevin also went at a big log pile where we were. Actually 2 piles at a 45* angle to eachother, up and across 1 and on to the other then back. It was blast to ride along, still not my thing, but man was it fun! Then we went and played in the mud and trails for a few hrs, I gotta say, light weight, low gears, and 38X12.50 TSLs will go about anywhere. We just stayed on top and went places the trail leader in a Dodge V10 on 44 TSLs went. We got hung up once on the rear diff in the mud and had to be tugged out. 9000+ pound Dodge pulls a 3500 pound (estimated) buggy w/ ease. LOL! Ill have some pics up later tonite or tommorow.