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Trail guns: What do you pack?

You need one of these if you own a glock, they work really well.

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KidJethro said:
Glock model 22

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Goes into the ammo can center console whenever I'm out in the truggy.
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if going wheeling i just take my .40s&w if im camping i take it and my 30-30 my 7mm and a 12ga shotgun or 2 :D
 
Colt 1911, 12 guage flare gun, Armalite AR-15, Mossberg 500 w/folding stock and 5 lbs of home-made plastic explosive for moving objects i can't drive over...............don't ask me how to make it :bow:
 
Just an FYI, 9mm and 45's wont reall do much on a bear, unless your shot placement is precise... and the area of precision is rather small. Many a persons was found with empty revolvers and were killed by bears.

Not saying 15 rounds of 45 wont do it, but a 12GA slug is definately a more proven method.

mini_mull said:
Springfield Armory XD 9mm 4in Service Model in Black
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Pookster said:
Just an FYI, 9mm and 45's wont reall do much on a bear, unless your shot placement is precise... and the area of precision is rather small. Many a persons was found with empty revolvers and were killed by bears.

Not saying 15 rounds of 45 wont do it, but a 12GA slug is definately a more proven method.
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Agreed. When you have the chance, ALWAYS go bigger when dealing with bear. They are a specific group and due to their size and the nature of their skin and bone structure, you need MAXIMUM penetration while slinging a big heavy bullet at the same time.

How about a carbine sized .50 cal? Nothing says lovin' like 650 grains of steel core FMJ!!!
 
FreedomIsntFree said:
Agreed. When you have the chance, ALWAYS go bigger when dealing with bear. They are a specific group and due to their size and the nature of their skin and bone structure, you need MAXIMUM penetration while slinging a big heavy bullet at the same time.

How about a carbine sized .50 cal? Nothing says lovin' like 650 grains of steel core FMJ!!!
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That is the nice thing about the places I camp. If there is a bear it is of the teddy variety and a .45 will knock the stuffing out. :D If I saw a bear in the places I camp, I would have to call the local zoo after I changed shorts.
 
I’ve taken along a POS .45 (Hi-Point). The .45 has a 7 round clip. If you fill the clip with seven rounds, it fires once or twice and then jams. If you load it with four rounds, it always works. Hey, it cost $140 new, and was the first gun I ever bought. :o I also have a Yugo SKS with a 10 round magazine. It has never misfired.......you could probably bury it in the bottom of a pond for a week, remove it, and it would still fire all ten as fast as you can pull the trigger.

I have a Mosin Nagant (the long one) but it is a bolt action....7.62 x 54.....I've never taken it on a trail ride.

Since we’re on the topic of bears, if one were to shoot a bear with the SKS (7.62x39) and you hit it in the head with say five rounds, I assume it would drop????? :confused: Also, would the Mosin (basically identical to an American .306 / thirty-ott-six however you choose to say it) stop a bear with one shot? Two shots?

I’m not concerned about running into a bear on the trails in Ohio..........the two legged mammals are the ones you need to keep an eye on. ;)
 
Pookster said:
Just an FYI, 9mm and 45's wont reall do much on a bear,
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A 12/10 guage w/slugs is the best option. But just try and get that thing out of the truck when a pissed mother bear is charging you.

A couple of years ago my neighbor (montana FWP) put down a grizly with his glock in 40 s&w. Usualy when you let a black bear out of a trap they run off...but turnes out when you let a mad grizly out of a trap it turns around and tries to eat you. He shot it twice (once in the head and once in the neck) while it was trying to climb the trap he was standing on. A couple of other guys around here have been suscesfull in puting them down with 40's.

So thats what I carry now. Beretta 96 in 40 s&w, love the thing, it shoots anything and will shoot when very dirty. I stager rounds in the clip between solid and hollowpoint. I also have a C&C permit.

Girlfriends father carrys a Fullyauto Colt M16. Got it before the full auto bans came into effect...so its legal.
 
rcurrier44 said:
A couple of years ago my neighbor (montana FWP) put down a grizly with his glock in 40 s&w. Usualy when you let a black bear out of a trap they run off...but turnes out when you let a mad grizly out of a trap it turns around and tries to eat you. He shot it twice (once in the head and once in the neck) while it was trying to climb the trap he was standing on. A couple of other guys around here have been suscesfull in puting them down with 40's.
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That's reassuring to know! I was afraid my .40 was just too weak to stand up to even a black bear which is why I am looking at .44 Mags. It's good to know that my 40 will "do the trick" until I can get a .44M as well.

Mike
 
Mossberg 12ga pump w/ pistol grip loaded with slugs and a Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan in .454 casull :waytogo:
The wildlife here is larger than most places ;)
 
When attached by a Grizzly (Right Handed Response) insert left hand and arm into Grizzly’s mouth, with free right hand draw sidearm and insert in Grizzly’s ear and pull trigger.

A family friend and his daughter were badly attached and mauled by a mother Grizzly protecting her two cubs just a few weeks ago in Glacier National Park. It made the national news, so some of you may have heard of the attach. They are both back in San Diego now recovering. Very insane experience, from what I have heard. They were not armed.

I carry a throwaway Glock 17.

In Mexico it is illegal to carry a gun, and there have been times I wish I had one when down there. It’s funny how the bad guys all seem to have them – scofflaws!
 
I wouldn't count on a 40 S&W putting down a large bear. Has it happened, sure. Have people killed bears with .22lr? yes. Should you carry a 22 for defensive purposes in bear country? not if you're smart. Can stop and will stop are two entirely different things. There is also the question of how long it will take to stop the bear... clearly if you are face to face with a bear and you mortally wound it and it will only live 30 more seconds, those 30 seconds could be plenty of time for the bear to kill you.

j
 
My dad always carried a .357 when we were hunting. He spent 8 hours in a tree when a moose went after him, and all he had was a .38. Sold the .38 and bought the Magnum. Swore he would never spend 8 hours in a tree again. Always follow Dad's advice.

John
 
40 Short and Weak

I have to agree a 40 Short & Weak (as it is called by 10mm nuts around the world) is not what i would consider an adequate bear gun. All I have to say is that Ranger friend is damm lucky he was able to get head shots and neck shots. Those are the types of shots that are luck and not easily executed under stress. I won't carry anything less than my 41 magnum into the woods if I think I will tangle with a bear. Heck last year a guy died in Alaska after emptying his 357 magnum into a Grizzly. Now granted there are differences between Black Bear, Brown Bear, and Grizzly. But I would look at the hunting regulations for good guidelines. Here in Colorado any pistol you hunt with has to have 550 ft/lbs of energy at 50 yds.


357 mag has 448 ft/lbs at 50 yds with a 170 grain bullet
40 has 413 ft/lbs at 50 yds with a 155 grain bullet
10mm has 452 ft/lbs at 50 yds with a 180 grain bullet.

41 mag has 630 ft/lbs at 50 yds with a 210 grain bullet
44 mag has 839 ft/lbs at 50 yds with a 240 grain bullet

454 Casull has 1470 ft/lbs at 50 yds with a 260 grain bullet.

The above figures come from online charts available from Speer, Remington and Winchester ammo.

So if it were me and I had to pack heat in bear country and my life was really important to me this is the gun to carry. Alaskan
Chambered in 454 casull it is really a beast but keep in mind you can shoot 45 colt in it too, which are really mild in comparision on 330 Ft/lbs of energy at 50 yards.

I am sorry to say full auto or not .223 Remington is really only good at killing things that weigh 60 pounds or less. I don't care if it is our Military round intended to wound people weighing from 100 to 200 pounds. Plus if it is full auto it is not allowed for hunting so it would no go over well at all if it were used in defense in bear country.
Ask the Colordo PD they used their issue AR-15s to take out some Buffalo that got lose in town it took over 120 rounds to kill 3 buffalo from around 10 to 15 yards!!!!!

Sorry for the rant but I just didn't want some one here to run out and buy a 9mm, 40, or 45 to defend against Bear attacks and get hurt thinking they were truely carrying big bear medicine. A true bear size gun starts at a 44 magnum. Yep that is right all I have is a 41 magnum but I can't buy a 44 or the Alaskan so it is what I carry, keeping in mind any gun on my hip is better than none. So choose wisely and know what kind of power you are carrying Bears are a lot thicker skinned and tougher than we are.

Tim
 
I would have to go along with the more is better crowd. In griz country a pump 12+ga with a short stock and barrel and a long mag tube. A 45-70 guide gun would be good choice also, as would any big (.28 cal+) rifle caliber carbine. Any of these would be easy to keep close to hand and it's hard to be a 870 12ga for cheap and effective.
To compliment that a .44 mag or .45 colt with some top end loads would be a good min. handgun choice. If you know problems are coming, get away or get the shoulder fired weapon. If you're surprised, God help you but a large caliber handgun on your hip will let you help yourself a little.

For other locations (like where I live) social guns seem to be adequate for everything. Cats and black bears are still pretty hardy but not as big and aggressive as a griz so I feel OK with a .357 or .45acp. I think statistics would show that you're probably going to have more problems with 2 legged critters than others in most parts of the country.
To answer specifically, I usually have a wilson KZ-45 or SW686plus with me.
I currently lust after a scandium j-frame, and a 5 shot .45 colt, and a nice AR, and a ......
 
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