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Why couldn't GM do like Ford did????
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hi pinion
3/4 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
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Amen! I hate my 10 spline 465/205 setup. The old rockwell t-case and the tranny ate 1 adapter sleeve, which in itself is the gayest thing GM ever made (the sleeve not the rockwell which wasnt made by GM but I digress), then the 205's sleeve was shot as well, I only have one nice one left. 32 spline is hard to find and $$
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Someone see's the point I am trying to make.
Yeah GM had a 32 spline NP 205 but it was only avalible behind the TH400 and only for a few years.
Lest see GM had how many mounting patterns and how many spline counts? Ford had the round mounting pattern and 31 spline shafts. We wont even mention driver or passenger side t-cases /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
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Amen! I hate my 10 spline 465/205 setup. The old rockwell t-case and the tranny ate 1 adapter sleeve, which in itself is the gayest thing GM ever made (the sleeve not the rockwell which wasnt made by GM but I digress), then the 205's sleeve was shot as well, I only have one nice one left. 32 spline is hard to find and $$
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Someone see's the point I am trying to make.
Yeah GM had a 32 spline NP 205 but it was only avalible behind the TH400 and only for a few years.
Lest see GM had how many mounting patterns and how many spline counts? Ford had the round mounting pattern and 31 spline shafts. We wont even mention driver or passenger side t-cases /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
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Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
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yeah there is a reason
the rulebook has outlawed the Fords because they are an unfair advantage
if you were a Ford guy you would be able to see the rule that cripples your race program.
you should have seen the ones imposed on the 351C guys trying to enter the PHR Enginemasters challenge, they were willing to do anything to get a chevy to win.
you could run a Rodeck SBC block and Brodix heads but to run any 351C heads you had to use a factory Ford production block and they were even trying to disallow Australian built blocks in to the point of uninviting a Pantera Engine builder who pointed out that the 351W was a Canadian casting and against the 'USA only' rule they were imposing on his Aussie motor
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I am not a "Ford guy", which is why I am a paying member on this web site. My interest lye with the GM generation 1 and 2 trucks, which I think is the best over all designed truck ever made.
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yeah there is a reason
the rulebook has outlawed the Fords because they are an unfair advantage
if you were a Ford guy you would be able to see the rule that cripples your race program.
you should have seen the ones imposed on the 351C guys trying to enter the PHR Enginemasters challenge, they were willing to do anything to get a chevy to win.
you could run a Rodeck SBC block and Brodix heads but to run any 351C heads you had to use a factory Ford production block and they were even trying to disallow Australian built blocks in to the point of uninviting a Pantera Engine builder who pointed out that the 351W was a Canadian casting and against the 'USA only' rule they were imposing on his Aussie motor
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I am not a "Ford guy", which is why I am a paying member on this web site. My interest lye with the GM generation 1 and 2 trucks, which I think is the best over all designed truck ever made.
afroman006
1/2 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
MOMMY DADDY STOP FIGHTING! Ok for real, fords suck.
MOMMY DADDY STOP FIGHTING! Ok for real, fords suck.
pauly383
Daddy383
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
Al I know about Ford , is that they had too many engine families in an overlapping time period . Chevrolet had basically ( not including the 348-409 ) the small blocks from 55 on , and big blocks from 65 on . I got her too late to say much , but I will always be a Chevy guy , and a member of ColoradoK5 , not ClassicBroncos NOW VOTE
Al I know about Ford , is that they had too many engine families in an overlapping time period . Chevrolet had basically ( not including the 348-409 ) the small blocks from 55 on , and big blocks from 65 on . I got her too late to say much , but I will always be a Chevy guy , and a member of ColoradoK5 , not ClassicBroncos NOW VOTE
3 on the tree
1/2 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
I've worked on and built all brands including International(now there's a can of worms).Chevys are the cheapest and the most common(a good thing). Fords are reliable, but I don't like any of their body styles after 1957. I love my 440 Dodge pickup but their engineering makes me scratch my head-common guys different motor mounts between a 318 and a 360 small block?
I've worked on and built all brands including International(now there's a can of worms).Chevys are the cheapest and the most common(a good thing). Fords are reliable, but I don't like any of their body styles after 1957. I love my 440 Dodge pickup but their engineering makes me scratch my head-common guys different motor mounts between a 318 and a 360 small block?
fad2blk99
1/2 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
This is completely ridiculous... Chevy is no question the interchangablity leader... PERIOD! Most of the bucket style hot rods have Chevy motors as was said before, and they are not all Ford haters. I just got back from a FORD car and truck show Saturday and almost ALL the old hotrods had Chevy motors. Some of the ones that didn't sport the Chevy small blocks were ones that were kept all original.
Back to looking at it from an off-road stand point... Ford's Borg Warner T-case... oh yeah that was a stroke of brilliance. And I was surprised not to have heard anything about the twin traction beam suspension. Who ever invented that should be shot, buried, dug up and shot AGAIN! And as far a putting the distributor up front... YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!!! I laugh at my buddy every time he goes through a large puddle and his piece of junk, TTB, Borg Warner equipped, sorry excuse for a truck starts sputtering and backfiring. Nothing is more idiotic for an off-road truck than to have your distributor up front to get doused by water rushing through the engine compartment and further sprayed by the engines fan!
In closing... all I have to say is get any one of your sorry-ass bone stock Mustangs (scratch that... you'll need to modify it so you don't get spanked by a Honda on the way to the track /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif) and line it up against my STOCK '01 T/A WS6.... you will get SPANKED!!!!
This is completely ridiculous... Chevy is no question the interchangablity leader... PERIOD! Most of the bucket style hot rods have Chevy motors as was said before, and they are not all Ford haters. I just got back from a FORD car and truck show Saturday and almost ALL the old hotrods had Chevy motors. Some of the ones that didn't sport the Chevy small blocks were ones that were kept all original.
Back to looking at it from an off-road stand point... Ford's Borg Warner T-case... oh yeah that was a stroke of brilliance. And I was surprised not to have heard anything about the twin traction beam suspension. Who ever invented that should be shot, buried, dug up and shot AGAIN! And as far a putting the distributor up front... YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!!! I laugh at my buddy every time he goes through a large puddle and his piece of junk, TTB, Borg Warner equipped, sorry excuse for a truck starts sputtering and backfiring. Nothing is more idiotic for an off-road truck than to have your distributor up front to get doused by water rushing through the engine compartment and further sprayed by the engines fan!
In closing... all I have to say is get any one of your sorry-ass bone stock Mustangs (scratch that... you'll need to modify it so you don't get spanked by a Honda on the way to the track /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif) and line it up against my STOCK '01 T/A WS6.... you will get SPANKED!!!!
fad2blk99
1/2 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
It is junk... After working at my uncles tire store (which like most, does alignments and other front end work) you'd be hard pressed to find a more problematic front suspension*. The general consensuses in the off road world is that TTB flat out sucks. And now, of course, you don't see them anymore.
*This excludes both Ford and Chevy IFS
It is junk... After working at my uncles tire store (which like most, does alignments and other front end work) you'd be hard pressed to find a more problematic front suspension*. The general consensuses in the off road world is that TTB flat out sucks. And now, of course, you don't see them anymore.
*This excludes both Ford and Chevy IFS
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
why the exclusion?
fact is you will not find a simpler stronger IFS then a TTB
the problem lies in the alignment being done at soemthing other then the working load of the vehicle and the messed up steering linkage that Ford put on those trucks
throw away the tierods/draglink and put in a proper bumpsteer free linkage and it will reduce the tire killing problem
a self leveling airbag to replace the coils or leaf springs would work great on a TTB
why the exclusion?
fact is you will not find a simpler stronger IFS then a TTB
the problem lies in the alignment being done at soemthing other then the working load of the vehicle and the messed up steering linkage that Ford put on those trucks
throw away the tierods/draglink and put in a proper bumpsteer free linkage and it will reduce the tire killing problem
a self leveling airbag to replace the coils or leaf springs would work great on a TTB
jwduke
1/2 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
I agree, but ever take a 6 out of a Furd & try & put a 8 in? Not quite as easy as a Chevy.
I agree, but ever take a 6 out of a Furd & try & put a 8 in? Not quite as easy as a Chevy.
FRIZZLEFRY
1/2 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
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I agree, but ever take a 6 out of a Furd & try & put a 8 in? Not quite as easy as a Chevy.
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Not quite so easy?
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I agree, but ever take a 6 out of a Furd & try & put a 8 in? Not quite as easy as a Chevy.
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Not quite so easy?
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Bubba Ray Boudreaux
1 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
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This thread is pure blasphemy.
All you pro Ford supporters should have your CK5 account suspended for a week to give you time to think about it /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
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So would I take years off your life if you knew I was putting a 9" into the K5?
Or if I had the $$$$ and knowledge, I'd go with TTB up front?
Or the Ford electric fans?
Or the half Dodge transfer case?
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This thread is pure blasphemy.
All you pro Ford supporters should have your CK5 account suspended for a week to give you time to think about it /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
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So would I take years off your life if you knew I was putting a 9" into the K5?
Or if I had the $$$$ and knowledge, I'd go with TTB up front?
Or the Ford electric fans?
Or the half Dodge transfer case?
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joez
1/2 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
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what Chev parts do Ford guys use?
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try to find a 40's ford hot rod with a ford engine and tranny in it, rare breed, and if they do have ford stuff more than likley they will have a corvette rear end
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Thats what im sayin. Im surprised no ones said anyhting about the TTB.
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TTB was a good concept, but bad excecution, scratch that, horrible execution. When done properly it is probobally one of the best independent front suspensions out there.
As to whey ford guys use SBC's, well thats simple, they are EVERYWHERE and are a dime a dozen. They are cheap to buy, cheap to build, and parts for them are everywhere. GM put them in just about everything.
There are plenty of things Ford did better than GM, but there are also plenty of things that GM did better than ford. Every auto manufacturer has their plusses and minusses, GM and ford are no exception.
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what Chev parts do Ford guys use?
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try to find a 40's ford hot rod with a ford engine and tranny in it, rare breed, and if they do have ford stuff more than likley they will have a corvette rear end
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Thats what im sayin. Im surprised no ones said anyhting about the TTB.
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TTB was a good concept, but bad excecution, scratch that, horrible execution. When done properly it is probobally one of the best independent front suspensions out there.
As to whey ford guys use SBC's, well thats simple, they are EVERYWHERE and are a dime a dozen. They are cheap to buy, cheap to build, and parts for them are everywhere. GM put them in just about everything.
There are plenty of things Ford did better than GM, but there are also plenty of things that GM did better than ford. Every auto manufacturer has their plusses and minusses, GM and ford are no exception.
bshewmaker
Registered Member
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
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Dodge owned New Process did they not?
so every NP or NV is kinda Dodge
[/ QUOTE ] I take it that with "NV" you are refering to New Venture Gear, which was owned by Diamler/Chrysler, but is now renamed New Process Gear in a joint venture between DC and Canadian, Magna International, with Magna owning 80% till 2007 when it will buy the remaining 20% from DC. The New Process of the 203 and 205 era nolonger exsits
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Dodge owned New Process did they not?
so every NP or NV is kinda Dodge
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jwduke
1/2 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
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I agree, but ever take a 6 out of a Furd & try & put a 8 in? Not quite as easy as a Chevy.
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Not quite so easy?
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It isn't 100% bolt in, at least my buddies '65 Furd 4x4 wasn't going from a 240 6 cyl. to a 390.
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I agree, but ever take a 6 out of a Furd & try & put a 8 in? Not quite as easy as a Chevy.
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Not quite so easy?
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It isn't 100% bolt in, at least my buddies '65 Furd 4x4 wasn't going from a 240 6 cyl. to a 390.
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
65s came from the factory with an FE engine.
so yeah it is a 100% bolt in
so NewProcess changed to NewVenture and you are claiming they changed back to NewProcess?
the nv4500 is a reintroduction of a np4500
65s came from the factory with an FE engine.
so yeah it is a 100% bolt in
so NewProcess changed to NewVenture and you are claiming they changed back to NewProcess?
the nv4500 is a reintroduction of a np4500
bshewmaker
Registered Member
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
take a look here mj new venture gear Now I'm not for sure about how new process came to be NVG.
take a look here mj new venture gear Now I'm not for sure about how new process came to be NVG.
