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Why couldn't GM do like Ford did????
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jwduke
1/2 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
We had to change trannys, and weld motor mounts in. The engine (390) & tranny (C-6) was out of a '70 Cougar Eliminator.
We had to change trannys, and weld motor mounts in. The engine (390) & tranny (C-6) was out of a '70 Cougar Eliminator.
fad2blk99
1/2 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
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why the exclusion?
fact is you will not find a simpler stronger IFS then a TTB
the problem lies in the alignment being done at soemthing other then the working load of the vehicle and the messed up steering linkage that Ford put on those trucks
throw away the tierods/draglink and put in a proper bumpsteer free linkage and it will reduce the tire killing problem
a self leveling airbag to replace the coils or leaf springs would work great on a TTB
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So basicly, go back to the drawing board, redesign the suspension, and then it would be good???? /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif
Look.... Ford is SECOND best. Give me a '73-87(91) Chevy over anything Ford has of that era and I'll build a better hard core off-roader for less. PERIOD. But to show that I don't just hate Fords, I do love their Superduty. Now If we were comparing their modern trucks, Superduty is king! Chevy does have an atractive product in their Allison backed Duramax--It's the live front axle that gives the 'duty the nod over the Chevy.
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why the exclusion?
fact is you will not find a simpler stronger IFS then a TTB
the problem lies in the alignment being done at soemthing other then the working load of the vehicle and the messed up steering linkage that Ford put on those trucks
throw away the tierods/draglink and put in a proper bumpsteer free linkage and it will reduce the tire killing problem
a self leveling airbag to replace the coils or leaf springs would work great on a TTB
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So basicly, go back to the drawing board, redesign the suspension, and then it would be good???? /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif
Look.... Ford is SECOND best. Give me a '73-87(91) Chevy over anything Ford has of that era and I'll build a better hard core off-roader for less. PERIOD. But to show that I don't just hate Fords, I do love their Superduty. Now If we were comparing their modern trucks, Superduty is king! Chevy does have an atractive product in their Allison backed Duramax--It's the live front axle that gives the 'duty the nod over the Chevy.
fad2blk99
1/2 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
And GM owned AAM... axles used by all the top 3... what's your point? AAM, N/P (NVG) were all independent companies with esrablished products before being sucked up by the Auto industries.
Here's asomething to consider: Pratt & Whitney (the jet engine maker) is owned by United Technologies Corp (UTC). UTC also owns Otis Elevator. Otis has no more to do with building jet engines than Dodge has to do with building NVGs t-cases.
And by-the-way, Dodge is a shame to the American Auto industry and I would not even include them in this discussion.
And GM owned AAM... axles used by all the top 3... what's your point? AAM, N/P (NVG) were all independent companies with esrablished products before being sucked up by the Auto industries.
Here's asomething to consider: Pratt & Whitney (the jet engine maker) is owned by United Technologies Corp (UTC). UTC also owns Otis Elevator. Otis has no more to do with building jet engines than Dodge has to do with building NVGs t-cases.
And by-the-way, Dodge is a shame to the American Auto industry and I would not even include them in this discussion.
84_Chevy_K10
Banned
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
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And by-the-way, Dodge is a shame to the American Auto industry and I would not even include them in this discussion.
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Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
the Super duty is a huge POS
the front axle in them is notoriously failure prone
the 2005 new suspension looks identical to the 3 79 1/2 tons I have here
what is the budget on that challenge? you can have a 79 chev Blazer and I will start with a 79 Bronco, oh wait I have already started.
Chev of that vintage do not hold a candle to Fords
I will take rev cut d44 on coils and a 9" over 10bolts on leaves any day of the week
I wont even start on the frame strength
there is no redesign of the TTB necesary, simply fix the steering linkage.
not too much different then the required crossover on chevs so that is kinda a draw.
the Super duty is a huge POS
the front axle in them is notoriously failure prone
the 2005 new suspension looks identical to the 3 79 1/2 tons I have here
what is the budget on that challenge? you can have a 79 chev Blazer and I will start with a 79 Bronco, oh wait I have already started.
Chev of that vintage do not hold a candle to Fords
I will take rev cut d44 on coils and a 9" over 10bolts on leaves any day of the week
I wont even start on the frame strength
there is no redesign of the TTB necesary, simply fix the steering linkage.
not too much different then the required crossover on chevs so that is kinda a draw.
fad2blk99
1/2 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
Are you just saying the exact opposite of what I'm saying to keep this thread going???
The new Superduty is the best thing going in modern full-size trucks. And that’s from a devout Chevy guy! Sure it has its problems, but it is still the best basic platform for a real truck. Don’t get me wrong though; a Duramax equipped ¾ HD 4x4 crew-cab w/ Quadra-steer sure gets my blood pumpin’!!!
You can have your 9" and your over-rated reverse cut 44. I can slap a locked 14b in the back w/ 5.13s for less than you can lock your 9"—and it’s a BOLT-IN replacement (like changing a tire!). The front 60s are pretty scarce for both and would probably exceed our hypothetical budget. Your garbage would not compare to my moderately massaged 400ci small block cranking out big block torque numbers. And my Muncie 4sp and 205 combo are the stuff off-roaders dream about! I assume Ford wasn’t stupid enough to be using Borg-Warner t-cases yet so you probably have 205 in yours too. Don’t forget that this basic platform Blazer ran from ’73-91, so swapping and upgrading parts are not only cheap and easy to find, but they are almost ALL BOLT-IN. Yes, as I said before, Chevy is the undisputed KING of interchangeability. And I haven’t even started on fuel injection possibilities…. Or the Vortec 350 (My ’97 C1500 w/ 133k miles can still spank the newest Triton)… ooh or the gen 3 small block 6L (LS1 engine platform)…. Ford just better stay w/ the Powerstroke!
Are you just saying the exact opposite of what I'm saying to keep this thread going???
The new Superduty is the best thing going in modern full-size trucks. And that’s from a devout Chevy guy! Sure it has its problems, but it is still the best basic platform for a real truck. Don’t get me wrong though; a Duramax equipped ¾ HD 4x4 crew-cab w/ Quadra-steer sure gets my blood pumpin’!!!
You can have your 9" and your over-rated reverse cut 44. I can slap a locked 14b in the back w/ 5.13s for less than you can lock your 9"—and it’s a BOLT-IN replacement (like changing a tire!). The front 60s are pretty scarce for both and would probably exceed our hypothetical budget. Your garbage would not compare to my moderately massaged 400ci small block cranking out big block torque numbers. And my Muncie 4sp and 205 combo are the stuff off-roaders dream about! I assume Ford wasn’t stupid enough to be using Borg-Warner t-cases yet so you probably have 205 in yours too. Don’t forget that this basic platform Blazer ran from ’73-91, so swapping and upgrading parts are not only cheap and easy to find, but they are almost ALL BOLT-IN. Yes, as I said before, Chevy is the undisputed KING of interchangeability. And I haven’t even started on fuel injection possibilities…. Or the Vortec 350 (My ’97 C1500 w/ 133k miles can still spank the newest Triton)… ooh or the gen 3 small block 6L (LS1 engine platform)…. Ford just better stay w/ the Powerstroke!
bshewmaker
Registered Member
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
79 was the last year ford offered the straight axle in 1/2 tons. so you are correct no ttb redesign would be needed. That may be what you ment. not sure. Motors of that vintage, though a big block, are dogs. Have you put a d60 under your bronco, not as labor and fab intensive as putting it under, lets say a tj, but theres not a whole lot of people that I would trust to weld brackets on an intrigual part of my drivetrain. However, almost anyone can turn the bolts required to put the chevy specific model under a corresponding vehicle. Chevy, although not perfect, in the older models, caters to wrenchers from novice to expert.
79 was the last year ford offered the straight axle in 1/2 tons. so you are correct no ttb redesign would be needed. That may be what you ment. not sure. Motors of that vintage, though a big block, are dogs. Have you put a d60 under your bronco, not as labor and fab intensive as putting it under, lets say a tj, but theres not a whole lot of people that I would trust to weld brackets on an intrigual part of my drivetrain. However, almost anyone can turn the bolts required to put the chevy specific model under a corresponding vehicle. Chevy, although not perfect, in the older models, caters to wrenchers from novice to expert.
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
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14FF enuf' said
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LOL...I have a couple ford buddies that run 14bff!!!
with chevy calipers..
One of Fords better idea's was the Motorcraft carb!!! /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
Also...you can through away those motorcraft distributors too!!!!
If you like Fixing Or Repairing Daily...get a Ford!!!
I know..I used to be a Ford guy!!!
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14FF enuf' said
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LOL...I have a couple ford buddies that run 14bff!!!
with chevy calipers..
One of Fords better idea's was the Motorcraft carb!!! /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
Also...you can through away those motorcraft distributors too!!!!
If you like Fixing Or Repairing Daily...get a Ford!!!
I know..I used to be a Ford guy!!!
fad2blk99
1/2 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
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you are dreaming.
still stuck with leaf springs under a chev.
ever built a Ford?
ever ridden in a coil sprung ford over rough ground?
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True, coils are better than leaves. But to have to have TTB also.... no thanks! I'll simply move my rear springs to the front, do a shackle flip w/ some stock 56 or 63s on the back and I've just built a truck w/ 4+" of lift that will out flex your junk... all before you've saved up the $$$ for lockers!
Yes I have WORKED on Fords, though I haven't completely built one. Just recently, my buddy gutted his stock rear diff in his late 80s early 90s Ford 4x4 (all bone stock, no lift, street tires). For the money we put into fixing his junk, he could have bought a Chevy and slapped a 14b under it!
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you are dreaming.
still stuck with leaf springs under a chev.
ever built a Ford?
ever ridden in a coil sprung ford over rough ground?
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True, coils are better than leaves. But to have to have TTB also.... no thanks! I'll simply move my rear springs to the front, do a shackle flip w/ some stock 56 or 63s on the back and I've just built a truck w/ 4+" of lift that will out flex your junk... all before you've saved up the $$$ for lockers!
Yes I have WORKED on Fords, though I haven't completely built one. Just recently, my buddy gutted his stock rear diff in his late 80s early 90s Ford 4x4 (all bone stock, no lift, street tires). For the money we put into fixing his junk, he could have bought a Chevy and slapped a 14b under it!
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
what has your buddy's spending habits have to do with it?
there is only 1 part of a 14ff that is cheaper then most other difs, Detroit locker.
you still have to contend with the idiotic hub design and the huge wall under the housing
First chance I get I am (once again) going to pitch a 14ff and put a D70 back under my chevy.
out flex? I doubt it but who cares? you still cannot drive the thing over rough terrain without losing fillings.
I guess it looks cool on the ramp though
TTB can have massive amounts of travel, so can a Ford straight axle coil spring front.
Where do the flexy trucks here get their rear springs from?
57" Ford ring any bells?
there is absolutely nothing wrong with the TTB design.
the stock steering geometry sucks. the same as ANY truck with inverted Y steering.
what has your buddy's spending habits have to do with it?
there is only 1 part of a 14ff that is cheaper then most other difs, Detroit locker.
you still have to contend with the idiotic hub design and the huge wall under the housing
First chance I get I am (once again) going to pitch a 14ff and put a D70 back under my chevy.
out flex? I doubt it but who cares? you still cannot drive the thing over rough terrain without losing fillings.
I guess it looks cool on the ramp though
TTB can have massive amounts of travel, so can a Ford straight axle coil spring front.
Where do the flexy trucks here get their rear springs from?
57" Ford ring any bells?
there is absolutely nothing wrong with the TTB design.
the stock steering geometry sucks. the same as ANY truck with inverted Y steering.
fad2blk99
1/2 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
Idiotic hub design?? You mean the one that alows to to easily slap on some 3/4 ton rotors inplace of the drums? Rear disk conversion usually cost 1000+, you can do one on a 14b for as little as $150... less than $400 if you want an e-brake. As far as the detriot being the ONLY thing cheaper... who about the axle itself. Resonable prices range from free to $200. Generaly, if you paid more than $150 you paid too much (with some excpetion). How about the fact that you'll be hard pressed to find another ring & pinion thats easier to set up. The "huge wall under the housing" can be taken care of in about 30 seconds with a sawzall. The only ligitment downfall for the 14b is one you didn't even mention. Ant that is the lowest ratio you can go in it is 5.13.
"Out flex?" You "doubt" it??? It's not even a question. Certainly its something you can achieve with new springs, but with my suggested setup its all existing pieces or used stock parts that cost little or nothing.
"Nothing wrong with TTB"... thats why its GONE! Its is a nightmare. Similar designs might be in play w/ the new 'duites but it is not that stupid split front axle.
Idiotic hub design?? You mean the one that alows to to easily slap on some 3/4 ton rotors inplace of the drums? Rear disk conversion usually cost 1000+, you can do one on a 14b for as little as $150... less than $400 if you want an e-brake. As far as the detriot being the ONLY thing cheaper... who about the axle itself. Resonable prices range from free to $200. Generaly, if you paid more than $150 you paid too much (with some excpetion). How about the fact that you'll be hard pressed to find another ring & pinion thats easier to set up. The "huge wall under the housing" can be taken care of in about 30 seconds with a sawzall. The only ligitment downfall for the 14b is one you didn't even mention. Ant that is the lowest ratio you can go in it is 5.13.
"Out flex?" You "doubt" it??? It's not even a question. Certainly its something you can achieve with new springs, but with my suggested setup its all existing pieces or used stock parts that cost little or nothing.
"Nothing wrong with TTB"... thats why its GONE! Its is a nightmare. Similar designs might be in play w/ the new 'duites but it is not that stupid split front axle.
sled_dog
1 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
if you can cut off a 14 bolt lip in 30 seconds I need to see your method. Even with a shaved 14 bolt, a 60 or 70 is still better clearance and they too can be shaved.
Also no matter what people like to say(and I have no idea why) Dana 60 and 70 disc brake kits do not cost more than a 14 bolt disc brake kit.
If I didn't already have my disc brake brackets and 5.13 gears I'd be switching to a 60.
if you can cut off a 14 bolt lip in 30 seconds I need to see your method. Even with a shaved 14 bolt, a 60 or 70 is still better clearance and they too can be shaved.
Also no matter what people like to say(and I have no idea why) Dana 60 and 70 disc brake kits do not cost more than a 14 bolt disc brake kit.
If I didn't already have my disc brake brackets and 5.13 gears I'd be switching to a 60.
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
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ever ridden in a coil sprung ford over rough ground?
[/ QUOTE ] Ever take a wheel hopin' ford up a loose hill and what a leave spring chevy blow right passed it /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif
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ever ridden in a coil sprung ford over rough ground?
[/ QUOTE ] Ever take a wheel hopin' ford up a loose hill and what a leave spring chevy blow right passed it /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif
FRIZZLEFRY
1/2 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
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"Nothing wrong with TTB"... thats why its GONE!
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I guess you could use the same "There is nothing wrong with it" theory for the Camaro also /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif
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"Nothing wrong with TTB"... thats why its GONE!
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I guess you could use the same "There is nothing wrong with it" theory for the Camaro also /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif
TrcksR4ME
1/2 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
Damn...is this a Chevy site or what /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif If I wanted to broaden my mind I would go search threads at a FORD site.
And MJ...
why do you even
post at CK5
when you seem to like Fords in any form
better than anything Chevy
has to offer?
I understand you are just
pointing out that Ford has
some strong points
but this still is a Chevy site
Damn...is this a Chevy site or what /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif If I wanted to broaden my mind I would go search threads at a FORD site.
And MJ...
why do you even
post at CK5
when you seem to like Fords in any form
better than anything Chevy
has to offer?
I understand you are just
pointing out that Ford has
some strong points
but this still is a Chevy site
hawkeye649
1/2 ton status
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
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This is completely ridiculous...
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I'm mad at you! /forums/images/graemlins/shame.gif
Not only did you say your avitar was in the calendar, but compltely ignored me as I asked for a larger peek. So it was one of the reasons I got the calendar. Not only was it not in there, what I think was your truck was a picture with about 6 pixels in it!! /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif
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This is completely ridiculous...
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I'm mad at you! /forums/images/graemlins/shame.gif
Not only did you say your avitar was in the calendar, but compltely ignored me as I asked for a larger peek. So it was one of the reasons I got the calendar. Not only was it not in there, what I think was your truck was a picture with about 6 pixels in it!! /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
I post here because I bought a Chevy 4x4 14 years ago and like everyone else that bought one I need all the help I can get to try and make it as good as a stock Ford /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
that and the Ford site banned me /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif
I post here because I bought a Chevy 4x4 14 years ago and like everyone else that bought one I need all the help I can get to try and make it as good as a stock Ford /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
that and the Ford site banned me /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif
84_Chevy_K10
Banned
Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????
Stock 77 ford? With radius arms, coils that bow, crappy half ass crossover, a pain in the ass to swap in a '60, an engine that would be better suited to a tractor?????
I fail to see the advantage of a 77 ford over a 77 Chevy myself /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Stock 77 ford? With radius arms, coils that bow, crappy half ass crossover, a pain in the ass to swap in a '60, an engine that would be better suited to a tractor?????
I fail to see the advantage of a 77 ford over a 77 Chevy myself /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
