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Why couldn't GM do like Ford did????

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Stock 77 ford? With radius arms, coils that bow, crappy half ass crossover, a pain in the ass to swap in a '60, an engine that would be better suited to a tractor?????

I fail to see the advantage of a 77 ford over a 77 Chevy myself /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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I fail to see any real advantage to any of them
if these trucks were really all that hot from the factory no one would lift or modify them in anyway /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
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I fail to see any real advantage to any of them
if these trucks were really all that hot from the factory no one would lift or modify them in anyway /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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False. If the trucks didn't have most of what we want to begin with, they wouldn't be on the trail.

I own my truck because it has an SBC, straight axles, and leaf springs.
 
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And Classic Bronco the response would be

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False. If the trucks didn't have most of what we want to begin with, they wouldn't be on the trail.

I own my truck because it has an SBF, straight axles, and coil springs.

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I'm no longer as Chevy biased as I once was. Still couldn't sell me a Ford but thats more because I know Chevys so well it would be stupid for me to buy a vehicle I know nothing about.
 
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that is odd you cannot see any advantages as you list them
radius arms, coil springs, cross over steering (the 77 uses inverted Y but the 78/9 inverted T bolts in)
PITA axle swap isnt too trickey IMO
what motor are you claiming is a tractor motor?? only the 302 is bad option as it lacks displacement, kinda like the 305
 
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I agree with most of what you've said mj except the TTB being a good idea. Maybe offroad its a good IFS design, but on road the change in camber as the front flexes makes for really bad tire wear and I would think would cause terrible handling with a load in the bed or in tow due to these camber changes.
 
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I must side with MJ here. I mean on a factory vehicle the Ford crossover is a proven reliable and working piece. Same as the stock Chevy piece. Now modify the truck and wheel it just a little. Which is the better steering then? Chevy had crap from 1967 right up until 1991, unchanged, it worked sure but are we going to venture anywhere near saying its not a half assed solution?

I wish Chevy made a straight axle coilsprung rig like the Early Bronco, I'd have one of them if they did. I think TTB is junk but at the same point I hate Chevy IFS as well.

Ford of course has stupidity. Like the fact that on the 77-79 F350s they had the front leaf spring shackles mounted in the same location as our Chevys. Then they decided that was bad and they should go to the front shackle design and stay with that until 1999 /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif
Not to mention on the 77-79 60s they also had the same steering design our Chevy's do. Forward back moving pitman arm going to a steering arm on the driver side knuckle.
 
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the front shackle design is good for negative arc stock springs IIRC

the camber changes are not a big deal on the TTB if you align it with the wieght it will usually run at.
it would be great with an airbag suspension that keeps the suspension at ride hieght regardless of load.
The steering linkage geometry is terrible on a TTB
I think the constant toe changes kill the tires as much or more then the camber
inverted Y when it should have a idler arm and 2 tierods that connect with the steering linkage at the TTB pivot points, like any desert racer that runs Twin I Beam uses
comparing it to any other IFS it is tougher, more travel, cheap.
I wouldn't want it but it isnt a poor design, piss poor execution.
compare what it takes to make an A arm IFS work vs the TTB and it is a clear winner
 
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God damn it /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif I made this post about the diffrences in t-cases and all You Fawkers can do is talk about fawking TTB and all the other crap. Nice hijack assholes /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
 
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oh yeah and transfer cases /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif

I bet the people at New Process had the Ford and Chevy specs right next to each other. The Ford specs were one damn page, the chevy ones were 20. They probably flipped for who had to deal with Chevy.
 
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Lets just all have a Bud and talk about something we agree on. /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif
 
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"Nothing wrong with TTB"... thats why its GONE!

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I guess you could use the same "There is nothing wrong with it" theory for the Camaro also /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif

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Yeah, there was someting very wrong with it! Too F'ing much money!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif It damn sure wasn't a performance issue....
 
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I'm mad at you! /forums/images/graemlins/shame.gif
Not only did you say your avitar was in the calendar, but compltely ignored me as I asked for a larger peek. So it was one of the reasons I got the calendar. Not only was it not in there, what I think was your truck was a picture with about 6 pixels in it!! /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif

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Oops, my bad! Here ya go...
1978K-Calander_pic-2.jpg

1978K-Calander_pic_1.jpg

1978calander_girl.jpg

All the pics I took were hi-res 5.1 mega pix, but I ahd to trim them down to 800x600 per the requirement. I submitted these and other serveal other pics for them to choose from.

Sorry to change the subject, but I think this was a welcome break.... /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
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Sorry to change the subject, but I think this was a welcome break.... /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

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Yes, yes it was.
 
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/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif You are a lucky man /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
 
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Lets just all have a Bud and talk about something we agree on. /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif

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that is easy, fad2blk's girl is hot, agreed?
 
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I'm mad at you! /forums/images/graemlins/shame.gif
Not only did you say your avitar was in the calendar, but compltely ignored me as I asked for a larger peek. So it was one of the reasons I got the calendar. Not only was it not in there, what I think was your truck was a picture with about 6 pixels in it!! /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif

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Oops, my bad! Here ya go...
1978K-Calander_pic-2.jpg

1978K-Calander_pic_1.jpg

1978calander_girl.jpg

All the pics I took were hi-res 5.1 mega pix, but I ahd to trim them down to 800x600 per the requirement. I submitted these and other serveal other pics for them to choose from.

Sorry to change the subject, but I think this was a welcome break.... /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

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Is there a Blazer in these pictures???
 
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Im surprised no ones said anyhting about the TTB.

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The general consensuses in the off road world is that TTB flat out sucks.

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I don't know what world you're living on ( /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif ?), but the TTB has it's advantages. Rocks and mud are probably not it's best suit, but try driving a live axle fast in the dezert and you'll soon convert. In my current thinking my replacement Sub will get an 8 lug TTB and a driver's side drop 241.

The strange steering geometry was actually done on purpose. It makes the vehicle more stable when airborne or close to it by inducing toe-in. Changing the linkage geometry to remove the droop toe change means you also need to address the stability issue when light on the suspension. Some of that can be done with longer radius arms, but not all of it.
 
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