supersize75k5
OrganDonorRacing.com
Anybody just jusnked all the crap off? I am getting dizzy while looking under the hood, I have no emmisions to worry about on the 86 sooo?
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wow...emissions crap removal advice needed...
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AIR is the main culprit to all the hoses. I'd start there, and then see what it looks like.
Is this a CCC or non-CCC truck?
Personally I'd leave EGR and EVAP alone, both hurt nothing, only help, and are fairly simple.
Is this a CCC or non-CCC truck?
Personally I'd leave EGR and EVAP alone, both hurt nothing, only help, and are fairly simple.
If it's a CCC truck like mine than there isn't much you can do with that except swap in a non computer carb and regualr 70's style vaccuum advance HEI dist. like I did. There are a lot of hoses in there to deal with and some of them can be removed and some can't, just depends. When I first got my 406 in people always wanted to see it but I said "It is known to exist but never seen through all the black speggetti." /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif
supersize75k5
OrganDonorRacing.com
what is ccc /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
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It would be the devil.....computer controlled carburetor. /forums/images/graemlins/yikes.gif It sucks. Some people will tell you that they aren't all that bad but I have played with two trucks equipped with it. Mine and hipinion's 85K5. It is hard to even adjust the F'n idle on them because it has a big idle selonoid or something right in the way and the idle and metering rods are controlled by the computer. It is hard to custom tune because the (I think) idle fuel controls are plugged off so they can't be tampered with.
The main reason why I don't like it is because.....
1. You lose the easy to tune, easy to adapt to different motors or motor mods that is associated with most carbs...because it is computer controlled and almost as sensative to "mods" as TBI.
2. Even though it is computer controlled you still don't get the added benifet of FI features that help it run better, get better MPG, cold starting, altitude adj., ect...because it is still a carb.
You get the drawbacks of both a carb and FI and the benifets of none. IMHO.
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It would be the devil.....computer controlled carburetor. /forums/images/graemlins/yikes.gif It sucks. Some people will tell you that they aren't all that bad but I have played with two trucks equipped with it. Mine and hipinion's 85K5. It is hard to even adjust the F'n idle on them because it has a big idle selonoid or something right in the way and the idle and metering rods are controlled by the computer. It is hard to custom tune because the (I think) idle fuel controls are plugged off so they can't be tampered with.
The main reason why I don't like it is because.....
1. You lose the easy to tune, easy to adapt to different motors or motor mods that is associated with most carbs...because it is computer controlled and almost as sensative to "mods" as TBI.
2. Even though it is computer controlled you still don't get the added benifet of FI features that help it run better, get better MPG, cold starting, altitude adj., ect...because it is still a carb.
You get the drawbacks of both a carb and FI and the benifets of none. IMHO.
pauly383
Daddy383
Buy some hoses and such and come over Wednesday and I'll help you clean it up. I wanted to remove mine at one time, just left what I needed to pass emissions . Personally if its a driver and trail rig I wouldn't bother with removing it all........................... Most chicks are too short to see it pretty in there with the hood up /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
84_Chevy_K10
Banned
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[It is hard to custom tune because the (I think) idle fuel controls are plugged off so they can't be tampered with.
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All 80s carbs have plugs in the idle mixture screw holes as they don't want you adjusting any of them for emissions purposes.
[It is hard to custom tune because the (I think) idle fuel controls are plugged off so they can't be tampered with.
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All 80s carbs have plugs in the idle mixture screw holes as they don't want you adjusting any of them for emissions purposes.
Smitty
1/2 ton status
Don't throw anything away if you pull the emissions equipment off. Put it in a box and store it just in case they change the inspection laws in your area. You never know what the future holds and some of that stuff is expensive.
pauly383
Daddy383
Yup, laws could change, save it all. Apache Junction needs emissions now. Maricopa will someday too. Too many new homes going up, laws will be changed . /forums/images/graemlins/k5.gif
You could make some unexpected changes by removing stuff. The easiest thing is to keep everything that works and make sure you don't have any vacuum leaks. If you're jetted for EGR and you remove EGR, then you have to make carb mods, for example.
If you really want to remove it, do it step by step so you know what is causing any changes you see.
Smog devices get a lot of blame for hurting performance, but most of the stuff under the hood you can yank off won't gain you much. What you really need is good exhaust, some headers or good manifolds (anything is better than the log-style A.I.R. ones) and a good air intake. After that, the thing that is making your engine feel like a "smogged" engine is the crappy heads. It wasn't EGR and A.I.R. that brought performance down, it was lower compression and restrictive heads. A.I.R robs about 2hp max I'm told. You can gain more than by changing fans, or even putting in new spark plugs, for that matter.
If you really want to remove it, do it step by step so you know what is causing any changes you see.
Smog devices get a lot of blame for hurting performance, but most of the stuff under the hood you can yank off won't gain you much. What you really need is good exhaust, some headers or good manifolds (anything is better than the log-style A.I.R. ones) and a good air intake. After that, the thing that is making your engine feel like a "smogged" engine is the crappy heads. It wasn't EGR and A.I.R. that brought performance down, it was lower compression and restrictive heads. A.I.R robs about 2hp max I'm told. You can gain more than by changing fans, or even putting in new spark plugs, for that matter.
arq
1/2 ton status
You may want to hold on to that caca, I just got cited ($300.00 /forums/images/graemlins/yikes.gif )in California for not having it and my vehicle is exempt, 1972 blazer. See my post under the first gen message board.EPA citation. i think i found a loop hole
/forums/images/graemlins/shame.gifAcording to the EPA it's a federal offence to tamper with emission equipment. if it came with it, it has to stay. Recently the EPA made a studdy and found that 474 counties around the country were not compliant with thier air quality standards. Here's the news...
ARQ.
/forums/images/graemlins/shame.gifAcording to the EPA it's a federal offence to tamper with emission equipment. if it came with it, it has to stay. Recently the EPA made a studdy and found that 474 counties around the country were not compliant with thier air quality standards. Here's the news...
ARQ.
One thing you are going to have to deal with is the transmission. If it is a computer-controlled transmission, then taking all the computer stuff off will make it shift really funny. There are two things you can do (1) buy an old Turbo 400 or 350, (2) buy an aftermarket transmission control module, which does not need the main GM OEM computer to function.
supersize75k5
OrganDonorRacing.com
thanks again guys, I had major vacume leaks and the vacume gage was reading just under five at idle /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif Now I replaced some hose and eliminated some off the air cleaner and she perked up to over 20 /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif
Also I removed the cat off the truck and stuck the air intake tube flap in the open position for good. The truck is alive now /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
Just need to tackle some of those exaust leaks...but at leat I can hear the 40 series flowmaster now /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif
I decided not to remove anything, just keep it there. I kind of like having a 305 as it wont get me tickets or to much attention. I might leave the paint alone for the same reason /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
seems I am growing up some.. /forums/images/graemlins/doah.gif
-shawn
Also I removed the cat off the truck and stuck the air intake tube flap in the open position for good. The truck is alive now /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
Just need to tackle some of those exaust leaks...but at leat I can hear the 40 series flowmaster now /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif
I decided not to remove anything, just keep it there. I kind of like having a 305 as it wont get me tickets or to much attention. I might leave the paint alone for the same reason /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
seems I am growing up some.. /forums/images/graemlins/doah.gif
-shawn
supersize75k5
OrganDonorRacing.com
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One thing you are going to have to deal with is the transmission. If it is a computer-controlled transmission, then taking all the computer stuff off will make it shift really funny. There are two things you can do (1) buy an old Turbo 400 or 350, (2) buy an aftermarket transmission control module, which does not need the main GM OEM computer to function.
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One thing you are going to have to deal with is the transmission. If it is a computer-controlled transmission, then taking all the computer stuff off will make it shift really funny. There are two things you can do (1) buy an old Turbo 400 or 350, (2) buy an aftermarket transmission control module, which does not need the main GM OEM computer to function.
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pauly383
Daddy383
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I kind of like having a 305 as it wont get me tickets or to much attention. I might leave the paint alone for the same reason
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Thats only a 305, our trucks really are close to each other . It ain't all that bad, transfercase gearing makes up for it, and you have 8 lugs on the 86 with lower gears, right? I only removed the EFE and all the ported vacuum switches, still passes emissions. I will have a 350 ready sometime, but wanted to wait until 305 smokes/runs bad, but I can't seem to kill it. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
I kind of like having a 305 as it wont get me tickets or to much attention. I might leave the paint alone for the same reason
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Thats only a 305, our trucks really are close to each other . It ain't all that bad, transfercase gearing makes up for it, and you have 8 lugs on the 86 with lower gears, right? I only removed the EFE and all the ported vacuum switches, still passes emissions. I will have a 350 ready sometime, but wanted to wait until 305 smokes/runs bad, but I can't seem to kill it. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
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One thing you are going to have to deal with is the transmission. If it is a computer-controlled transmission, then taking all the computer stuff off will make it shift really funny. There are two things you can do (1) buy an old Turbo 400 or 350, (2) buy an aftermarket transmission control module, which does not need the main GM OEM computer to function.
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He has a 465. WIth mine when I removed my computer stuff it didn't effect the tranny because it is a th700R4. You are thinking of a 4L60 or 80 that is fully computer controlled. A th700 is functions just like a th350 or 400 except that a th700 has a lock up converter, which late model th350's did also anyway. When you disconnect the CCC stuff or even TBI all you lose is lock up which is a simple fix to wire it up manually. Shifting is still controlled by the servo.
One thing you are going to have to deal with is the transmission. If it is a computer-controlled transmission, then taking all the computer stuff off will make it shift really funny. There are two things you can do (1) buy an old Turbo 400 or 350, (2) buy an aftermarket transmission control module, which does not need the main GM OEM computer to function.
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He has a 465. WIth mine when I removed my computer stuff it didn't effect the tranny because it is a th700R4. You are thinking of a 4L60 or 80 that is fully computer controlled. A th700 is functions just like a th350 or 400 except that a th700 has a lock up converter, which late model th350's did also anyway. When you disconnect the CCC stuff or even TBI all you lose is lock up which is a simple fix to wire it up manually. Shifting is still controlled by the servo.
supersize75k5
OrganDonorRacing.com
yup just a 305, it had one originally then a 350 then he needed a motor real bad, 305 was all he could find in dealerships on a saterday /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Works for me though /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
Works for me though /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
pauly383
Daddy383
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Same here /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif I am hard pressed to tell I am missing 45 cubes (78 if I had my favorite) , it is just a bit slow off the line in town or over REAL steep grade in 2wd, but thats gearing (3.08's and 33's) /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
Works for me though
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Same here /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif I am hard pressed to tell I am missing 45 cubes (78 if I had my favorite) , it is just a bit slow off the line in town or over REAL steep grade in 2wd, but thats gearing (3.08's and 33's) /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
I have 101 more cubic inches than you guys. /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif I can go fast in a hurry and pull a lot of weight but for daily driving fuel gets expensive. /forums/images/graemlins/doah.gif I bet you 2 get a lot better mileage than I do. It is fun ruining a little Asian dude's day in his way cool Honda though. /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
