You want to see pics of the Sub\'s first time out? When I sold the K5 I was disappointed because I thought the Sub wouldn't be able to keep up with my K5 friends on the trail. Last weekend I was impressed by it (I think a few other people were too). Here's the link, tell me what you think: http://www.myk5.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=MDA&page=3 I had a good time teasing the Jeeper out there. Told them "it was a wheelbase thing". <a target="_blank" href=http://community.webshots.com/user/chvyhs>WebShot Pics</a> It's a wheelbase thing, you wouldn't understand.