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1/2 ton Auto Hubs to Lock Outs Swap Write-up

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I hate auto hubs. There I said. shoot me:pimp:

This is a step by step write-up on how to swap out your auto hubs to lock out hubs on your 1/2 ton Chevy (most 1/2 ton Dodges and Fords apply as well). I decided to do this as I needed a refresher on whats involved with the auto hubs and could not find a good thread on it.

Tools:
Jack
jack stand
T-25 Torx bit
9/64 Allen bit
Good hi temp bearing grease (personal preference)
External snap ring pliers
Needle nose pliers
right angle pick


I did this with the tires jacked up so I could do a shake to check the bearings. Always remember to use a jack stand when you have a vehicle lifted by a jack.
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Start by removing the auto hub cover. Using a T-25 Torx remove the 5 screws. The cover is a bit under spring pressure so it will pop off easy.
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Rotate the wheel till you see that square clip on top. In the center of the hub you will find two little tangs. squeeze them with a pair of pliers and you should have a washer a bearing and the tangs pieces out now.
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Now that square clip should just slide out by hand. this expose the ends of the capture ring that keeps the locking hub mechanism inside the hub. take two of the covers screws and thread them back in, you can use these to grab the hub with. With the pliers squeeze the two ends together of the capture ring while pulling on the hub. A little bit of wiggling and it should slide out.

When that's done you should have something like this.
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Clean out any excess grease (so you can get a good look inside) and just do a quick visual inspection. Look inside and you will see a external snap ring. Using the external snap ring pliers remove the ring. Sometimes the grease is sticky so it usually helps to have a right angle pick to help it out. Once the ring is out there is a washer behind it. remove the washer as well.
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Mmmm shiny!
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What you have are five hub cover screws, one capture ring and one external snap ring used for capture as well. As it states in the Warn 9790 instructions Some vehicles might be able to use the snap ring. it will not cause anything bad if you don't use it. Basically saying if you can use it use it if not oh well. my '91 did not have a slot out far enough to accept the snap ring.
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I personally prefer to apply some good hi temp bearing grease on the surface of the hubs during initial install. I also put a thin layer of grease on the cover O-ring and some on the screws. This just helps keep moisture out a bit longer. It looks like I applied a lot of grease but this is just on the surfaces.

NOTE: The instructions that come with the new hubs say "SERVICE INSTRUCTIONS: Service at the same interval as wheel bearings. Clean and lightly grease the internal working surfaces."
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There is a channel that the outer capture ring sits in. Take a clean rag and wipe that out. This just makes sure you get a could seating with the ring and have no chance of it popping out and loosing a hub.
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Again, using two screws opposite of each other screw them in to the hub so you have something to grab onto. I prefer to slide the hub in and out a few times making sure an extra grease get pushed out and that it seats properly all the way up against the Bearing lock nuts.
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When seating the new hub make sure it seats all the way to clear the channel for the capture ring. Take the capture ring and just squeeze it a bit and slide it in and it should snap into place. Wipe off any excess grease.
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When assembling the cover there are three tabs that need to line up. You can see I pointed them out in the picture. With the tabs line up you will feel some resistance of the covers O-ring, just tap with by hand and it will seat.
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Tighten down all six screws using a 9/64 Allen wrench or a bit on a driver. DO NOT USE A WRENCH OR RATCHET. you will strip threads or snap screws.
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Repeat on the other side and enjoy!
 
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Apparently you did not read the instructions that came with the Warn hubs? The instructions tell you to NOT grease the hubs. Too much grease and they won't work correctly.
 
Yah ive heard just a bit of wd40 or something in there and call it good. The grease creates resistance and i think it can cause them to not disengage?:dunno: good write up though. On that capture ring i had noticed on mine that for some reason the one side didnt have much of a taper ro it to get under for removal. So i took a file and put a bit more angle on it so i can use a screw driver to get under.
 
Its not that much grease. I have been doing this for years never had a problem. Helps keep the water out. The only problem I have had was when it was about -40*. Besides... You should have seen the amount of grease that WAS in there.

I actually have to take the driver side hub apart tonite anyways. I will post up a pic showing it with the extra grease wiped off.

I also updated that section of this write-up noting what the instructions say.
 
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Nice job. My truck came with Warn hubs already so instructions were not included.....

I would not have known about the "not greasing the locking hubs" part. Learn something new everyday!
 
Nice job. My truck came with Warn hubs already so instructions were not included.....

I would not have known about the "not greasing the locking hubs" part. Learn something new everyday!

I think its come down to almost a preference. I have ran mine in the past as per the instructions and as seen above. I only had a problem once when the one hub wouldnt lock in and i think was due to the grease but that was at about -40*. I noticed once I started using grease especially on the seal area I started to have less water problems. That is one thing I wish Warn would rework is make the screws design with O-rings in mind.

When in doubt always follow the instructions.
 
I think its come down to almost a preference. I have ran mine in the past as per the instructions and as seen above. I only had a problem once when the one hub wouldnt lock in and i think was due to the grease but that was at about -40*. I noticed once I started using grease especially on the seal area I started to have less water problems. That is one thing I wish Warn would rework is make the screws design with O-rings in mind.

When in doubt always follow the instructions.

Are you saying your Warn hubs did not come with o-rings for the retaining bolts? Every Warn hub i've installed came with 12 tiny o-rings for the retaining bolts and also the 2 large o-rings for the hub itself.
 
Are you saying your Warn hubs did not come with o-rings for the retaining bolts? Every Warn hub i've installed came with 12 tiny o-rings for the retaining bolts and also the 2 large o-rings for the hub itself.

Do the 12 o ring go on the outside or inside? Bought mine used from Iceman, but i don't have these.
 
I have never seen the 1/2 ton 9790s come with 12 little O rings. Maybe that's something they added to the premium hubs.
 
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I just checked. Neither the 11967 std hub service kit or the 20825 premium service kit come with 12 little o-rings. The hub only has the one large o-ring for the cover and that's it. 1 Large o-ring, 1 large capture snap ring 6 bolts and a External snap ring per side of every std and premium warn hub I have ever dealt with since the early 90's.

I shot an email off to warn to find out about these O-rings.

4x4high can you take a shot of one fo these and post it up? I am curious now
 
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Just got email back from Warn. Too bad, It seems like a good idea.

My Email:
Hello,

I have just recently installed a set of the 9790 1/2ton std hubs and as usual I am very pleased with the great products you have to offer. I am however in a the middle of a debate in regards to "waterproofing" of the hubs.

I have a friend who says quote "Every Warn hub i've installed came with 12 tiny o-rings for the retaining bolts and also the 2 large o-rings for the hub itself."

Now I have been dealing with your hubs since the early '90's and I may be wrong but I don't remember ever seeing little o-rings to fit over the 6 bolts that hold the cover on.

What I have been doing myself is applying a thing layer of grease on the outer large o-ring to 1) help install easier and 2) helps with keeping moisture out. I have also always put a little grease on the bolts themselves to help seal up the bolt holes. Yes I do understand water crossings and the need for higher maintenance intervals.

Point is do you or have you ever offered these little o-rings to go around the 6 assembly bolts?

Thank you for your time
--Rob


Warns email Reply:

Robert,

We only used the o-ring in question on hub locks that were used in our Rear Full Floating Axle Conversion Kits. They were used to seal liquid axle/differential fluid in, not to keep water out… although I’m sure they would do a good job that also.


The o-rings are not available any longer and we don’t use them in any front hub locks. You can use some anti-seize on the screw threads and a little RTV silicone on the heads. That’s about as good as it needs to be.


Best Regards,

Matt Bailey
Warn Industries, Inc
Customer Service
1-800-543-9276

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I think I may see if I can find some o-rings at the hardware store and try them out.
The problem I see is since there is no relief cut in the bolt head pocket you will do nothing but crush them when tightening them down even with a screwdriver in order to get the bolts to seat.

Now the factory Auto hubs I took off did in fact have o-rings on the five screws. You could see the relief cut for them under the cap of the bolt head.
 
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I will take a pic later of the o-rings once I locate the bag of them that I have. There is a member on here who works/worked for Warn and sent these to me a few years ago when I was working on my hubs and a few of the originals had tore on me when removing them. IIRC it was IGOR so you might want to PM him and ask him about them. I know 200% for a fact that every Premium Warn hub i've installed on my rig and other peoples rigs the Warn kit had these o-rings supplied.
 
Weird. I may order a set of the premiums next week and check them out. But the service kit for the premiums doesn't come with them at least anymore.

I like the idea I would actually prefer it.
 
as for the grease inside, I had to take my hubs off of my 86 k5 and clean all the grease off of them to get them to engage. I was told to use a quik dip in diff lube or in motor oil then let them run off before install at most. And nice timing on the right up cause I've never had autolockers apart and I'm about to change the ones on my burb:D

For thr orings, hard plastic ones would be best cause the small rubber ones my allow the outer part of the hub to loosen over time:dunno: Just a thought.
 
If your that worried squirt some rtv in front of the heads of the bolts before you put em in. Or dont drive in water.... I have the same locking hubs. No o-rings. They work great.
 
I grease mine, and I have never had any problems. I also have never seen the o-rings for the heads of the allen screws.

Martin
 

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