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10 bolts and 39.5" tires???

Re: 10 bolts and 39.5\" tires???

Sorry Tim but "quit while you're ahead" on this one!!! This is getting too funny!!!!!
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...............on second thought; keep going! I haven't laughed this hard at a post since I don't know when!!!
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Brian
89KBlazer

Build it Right or Don't build it at all!!
 
Re: 10 bolts and 39.5

Not to take one side or the other. A 10 bolt is "fairly strong", but if after 10+ years of use and abuse, things like bearings (carrier, pinion, spindel, hub/rotor), seem to wear. Metal fatique also plays a role in shafts and worn out u-joints. A D60 is stronger and will take more abuse and also more neglect (poor maintainence) before it grenades.
I'm not saying 10 bolts are the best axles in the world, but if you keep maintenance up, (i.e replace bearings once in a decade
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, replace u-joints(yearly or more), and keep parts updated (wear causes increased tolerances, increased tolerances cause more leverage on parts and slack, more leverage and slack equals broken parts) a 10 bolt will last a long time under moderate abuse.
That being said, even a good 10 bolt is likely to brake with 38+ tires, a big-block, rocks, and a heavy foot. It also can survive fairly long with 39's, lighter foot, and smart driving, but a worn out one might not even last with 33's on the pavement. Again there are way too many variables. If you noticed on Trucks they put in an updated 10 bolt front. A lot of people, said "I can't believe they put a lousy 10 bolt in with that motor and tire combo". They also said it wouldn' last a day wheelin. First off, it wasn't your average 15 year old 10 bolt. It was a new housing with new parts with (I believe Moser hardened) shafts. That axle will take quite a pounding. Can it break....yes, is it as strong as a D60......no, will it be more than 85% of the people on this board need....yes. Will a rebuilt stock 10 bolt be more than enough for 85% of the people on this board (assuming proper maintenance)....yes.
If you are truly hardcore, I would say don't even bother putting a 10 bolt front in, but for most people on this board. A refreshed 10 bolt will last a long time.
If you don't believe me, look at the pictures in the member's section. I now have a Dodge (cringe) D60 up front, let me preface by saying we can't add weight to the front (that's cheating), so I put a heavier (weight wise) axle there (the D60 was much heavier than the 10 bolt to help with traction (notice how the rear squats, lifting the front up). I rebuilt the 10 bolt (with stock shafts), I put in new balljoints, spindle bearings, spicer u-joints, new ring and pinion with all new bearings and shims, seals, hubs, and front cover with bearing cap preloads, and a loc-rite locker. I abused the thing offroad as well as pulling the transfer sled (like the big-boys pull <a target="_blank" href=http://coloradok5.com/gallery/Leadfoot>http://coloradok5.com/gallery/Leadfoot</a>. The one thing I always kept in mind was being easy on the go pedal when my tires were pointed any direction but straight forward, and never had a problem.

Again my $.02, take it for what it's worth.

P.S. 6,200 lbs with gear and two full tanks, and yes there was weight added (shhhhh)


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Re: 10 bolts and 39.5\" tires???

It would be pretty easy to shatter a front 10-bolt by running it in 4 low with the rear driveshaft unhooked since ALL of the torque would be going through the front axle instead of being split 50/50 between the front and rear. I'm not saying it will snap like a twig, but a few hard throttle application in the right situation and say bye-bye to it. I've seen several guys on the trail who have broken either a front or rear axle, and then tried to get through rest of the trail in 2wd only to break the other axle because of the added torque load (plus they were getting on it harder since they only had 2wd). One guy in particular has broken a rear full-floater Dana 60 axleshaft twice after breaking the Dana 44 front and trying to continue in 2wd to get off the trail.

My '90 K5 with the 6.2L diesel, full fuel tank, and trail equipment (maybe 150 lbs. of tools and spare parts), and no passengers, weighs just under 6,000 lbs. (actually weighed on scales!).
 
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Tell you guys what. I wheel hard and I have shattered the rear ring gear bolts completely off but the front is till holding on. I got my '79 K5 in Nov. of 2000 and I've been wheeling it hard ever since. I'll keep you guys informed when the front and rear go. (hopefully not to soon) Anyway I'm sure they will go and in the mean time I'm putting the pennies aside for new axles. (hopefully custom dana 60's from danatrac) Anyway if you don't think they'll handle it just check out the pics on k5junkies post. (mine is the grey K5 stuck past the axles trying to pull the bonco out due to the t-case being full of water) There is proof and I can tell you the only truck on the humpday2001 ride with 1 ton axles is the 1 ton crew cab. If you note the red and white bronco it has the stock front and rear axles and for mud they work fine till we get time to make a run to TX and get the 1 tons for it and do the swap. Anyway wheel hard and get off everyones back!

'79 K5,13 1/2" lift, 39.5 TSL's,15x12 Eagles,350,t-350,warn 8274,39.5 Boggers for wheeling!
 
Re: 10 bolts and 39.5\" tires???

this is really fawkin easy. quit talkin theory and bolt those 39's up. If you break shafts a lot, upgrade to 1 ton gear. That simple.

Sherman, Tx
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Re: 10 bolts and 39.5\" tires???

Sounds good, but what shape is the axle in? Bolt up 39.5's to a D60 that's within an inch of it's life, hit the go pedal, and you could blow that up too!

There is a Right way, a Wrong way, and then there is My way. The latter is usually the most fun!
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Re: 10 bolts and 39.5\" tires???

The front 10-bolt is stronger than the rear 10-bolt because it is a fully floating axle. Of course as you turn the wheels way to one side or the other, this may not hold true anymore.

<font color=green>If a K-5 is "Built not Bought", why does this stuff cost me so much money?
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Re: 10 bolts and 39.5\" tires???

"I'd bet a front locker would destroy one every time. Any time that a good amount of power only goes to one shaft it'd be real easy to destroy one."

I'm meaning one shaft that has a load on it while the other tire is just sitting there spinning.

If all of you have broken your 10 bolt fronts, why didn't you post it when I started the thread about them? I could only get 4 or 5 people out of the 5,000 here that had said they have.

I have really tried guys. I beat mine up pretty good. I've hit some things at very high speed, wide open that I was sure would take out my front axle, but it's never happened. Same with my other friends with the 44s on D44s and 10 bolt fronts. All have open front axles and can't seem to break them.

Tim
'84 Chevy K10, lifted, loud, fast, and 3/4 ton axles
 
Re: 10 bolts and 39.5\" tires???

I have been fortunate with my D44 so far but I know my time will come. I did witness a D44 self destruct at Sand Lake though. Blazer with about 8" of lift and 38x 11.5" Boggers...sheared the pinion....on sand....open diff.

Rene

<font color=green>Dyslexics of the world...UNTIE!</font color=green>
 
Re: 10 bolts and 39.5\" tires???

Rene was it that red one that was going up the bowl?


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Yup...pretty cool carnage!

Rene

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Re: 10 bolts and 39.5

If all the parts in your 10 bolt are new or fairly new, the longer it will last. As long as you use good parts that is. I use to think 10 bolts were weak, but so far all of my 10 bolts have held up. My Firebirds 10 bolt has held up, and that gets way more torque put to it than most trucks. I run slicks on my Firebird. Slicks will let you know if your rear end is strong or not. As for my trucks 10 bolts, about a month ago I rolled my Jimmy 6 times down a 75 foot hill. The only thing it did to the axles is that it bent to rear axle housing. That was from the force on it. Didnt break an axle and still drove it out to the road. Just my opinion though

86 Jimmy 4"lift 35"MTRs locked front.Other cars 69 Firebird w/525 hp,and 70 GTO <a target="_blank" href=http://www.geocities.com/modifierperformance>MY vehicles</a>
 
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I have to disagree with yer Firebird getting more torque to the ground than my Jimmy. Multiply the ratio's through the drivetrain and see if your Firebird puts 15,000 lb/ft down through the axles. You'd be lucky to get half of that in the Firebird. Plus all that is straight line on level ground. In a 4x4 application the housing could be flexing and with about 3 times the weight on it...thats why K5's kill 10 bolts.

Rene

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I am probably close. My car pulls the front wheels, Pulls 1.5 sec 60 foot times and launches over 2.5 g-force. Its just my 2 cents though. I also weighs 3550 lbs.

86 Jimmy 4"lift 35"MTRs locked front.Other cars 69 Firebird w/525 hp,and 70 GTO <a target="_blank" href=http://www.geocities.com/modifierperformance>MY vehicles</a>
 
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Do the math...yer prolly not even halfway there.

Rene...sounds like a fast car though!
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You weigh 3550 lbs? Isn't that bad for your health?
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*chuckling*

It's been lovely, but I have to scream now.

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DesertDueler how much nitrious are you running thru your motor and what does it run off the bottle?

Donovan
Nitro Fumes makes me Horrrrny
 
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I run a 150 hp shoot of nitrous. My car runs low 13s of the bottle. It was set up for nitrous. Its got a nitrous cam in it. If a put a motor cam in it, it will run mid 12s.

86 Jimmy 4"lift 35"MTRs locked front.Other cars 69 Firebird w/525 hp,and 70 GTO <a target="_blank" href=http://www.geocities.com/modifierperformance>MY vehicles</a>
 
Re: 10 bolts and 39.5\" tires???

I did post about breaking my front 10-bolt during your other post.

BTW, hitting something at high speed is not the typical failure mode for breaking axle shafts, gears, and such. Rather, it's when you have the tires jammed into a rut or against a rock and trying to pull out, especially if the tires are bouncing at all as that will induce huge shock loads into the system. Both times I broke mine it was under no more than maybe 1/4 throttle, but the tires were turned at almost full lock to one side and trying to climb against deep ruts. The second time it broke, the entire frontend had been gone through the week before and new u-joints had been installed, so it was not due to lack of maintenance either.

Concerning another post about 10-bolts living in street cars, there is pretty much no comparison between a drag car and an off-road truck. First of all, on the street the torque load and weight distribution is usually almost even between the left and right side so both sides are only seeing 50% of the total load. In off-road conditions it's not uncommon for one side to see 100% of the load. The weight of heavy tires, slipping and then gripping, and axle flex are also contributors to failure. And finally, the added torque multiplication due to lower gears (including the low range of the transfer case). Even with the same transmission and rear axle ratios between a K5 and a drag car, the low range t-case in the K5 will multiply the torque an additional 2 to 2.72 times, pending what t-case it has. For example, the drag motor would have to produce as much as 800 ft-lbs. of torque to equal a stock TBI 350 in a K5 with 300 ft-lbs of torque and locked into 4 low (300 x 2.72 = 816 ft-lbs.).
 
Re: 10 bolts and 39.5\" tires???

this thread is giveing me a headache
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. LOL!

It's been lovely, but I have to scream now.

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