jeff wilson
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Im wanting to put a 14 bolt 1 ton axle in my 85 K5 will I have spring perch issues or what yr will bolt in? I have no problem moving them, but if I can avoid it I rather would.
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if from a 3/4 ton and 4wd its a bolt in .
if from a 1 ton its move perches and shock mounts .
and 3/4 ton 2wd is bolt in minus moving shock mounts also .
if from a 1 ton its move perches and shock mounts .
and 3/4 ton 2wd is bolt in minus moving shock mounts also .
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Ok, can i get thr full floater in a 3/4 ton. Everybody is telling me i need a 1 ton for full floater
Yes you can. Same axle just different perch and bracket placement. Follow sweetk30's rules and you'll be fine.
also 3/4 ton has little smaller rear brakes over true 1ton axle . but same disk brake kit works if your doing that .
If someone is telling you that you need a 1 ton for a full floating axle, then they are thinking about the semi-floating 14 bolt 8 lug axle.
wetoolowdingbangow
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Heres the 14 bolt bible...itll answer a lot of questions and i believe they say what vehicles specifically have the 14 bolt youre looking for. Also there is such a thing as a 2nd gen 14 bolt. it has more ribbing to the housing, its also a bit narrower, the shock mounts wont line up and theres no such thing as a "bolt on" disk brake swap...the brackets have to be welded on.
Its more or less easier if you find a 1st gen, which there are millions. Just thought that would help because i ended up with a 2nd gen unknowingly, which is ok but its a bit more of a headache to deal with.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/14b_bible/
Its more or less easier if you find a 1st gen, which there are millions. Just thought that would help because i ended up with a 2nd gen unknowingly, which is ok but its a bit more of a headache to deal with.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/14b_bible/
The 2nd gen van axles are slightly wider (at least, mine is). I like these axles because they came with removable brake drums (which is why the hub isn't compatible with bolt-on brackets). A good set of serviceable drum brakes is lots funner than servicing the original behind-the-hub drums. So you may not need to do a disc swap if you get the later axle style. FWIW.
There are ribbed axles that have the older style of hub on them (with the unserviceable brakes). I'm not sure why they kept making brakes like that, but they're out there.
wetoolowdingbangow
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Good to know. There's sort of a dizzying amount of combos with 14 bolts. The 2nd gen 14s use a shorter spindle so no matter what drum style you have you can't use a bolt on bracket. A bolt on bracket could be made but I guess theres not much of a market for some reason. If I stayed with drums I would much rather have the slip on ones!
Didn't realize the spindles were different between versions, I had assumed the spindle differences corresponded to the differing styles of hub (which are a function of which brakes you have).
I hear ya about the slip-on drums. I love mine, but my Blazer has the old style. It's getting discs the first time something acts up in there. I'm only willing to tear those apart once. And they had better work afterwards!
As far as the market, give it a few years. The cargo van axles are cheap and plentiful, the older ones are disappearing from the market. They will probably be the new axle of choice when older stuff gets scarce enough. Working parking brakes are pretty neat, too.
so if someone was to have a bolt on kit for the newer style slide off drum 14ff would you buy it ?
and it would be a fair price and clockable a little bit by the bolt pattern . so different spring / block / other options would clear most of the time .
so if someone was to have a bolt on kit for the newer style slide off drum 14ff would you buy it ?
and it would be a fair price and clockable a little bit by the bolt pattern . so different spring / block / other options would clear most of the time .
Me? I'm happy with the later drum setup. It has been working well. And I only have a couple of thousand miles on a rebuild. So I'm not in a hurry to get rid of them.
If I had a 2nd-gen without removable drums, I'd probably be your first customer.
