Masiony
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what is the housing made out of, steel or iron?
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14ff, cast steel or iron?
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CDA 455
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Masiony
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how sure are you?
Hossbaby50
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I thought the pumpkin was cast iron and the tubes were mild. 
Harley
Harley
CDA 455
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I thought the pumpkin was cast iron and the tubes were mild.
Harley
I know factory are cast, and aftermarket (Like Dynatrac) are nodular.
But either way they're iron.
Masiony
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but cast what? iron or steel?
Pumpkin is cast steel.
Let me edit that by saying I'm 90% sure they're cast steel.
Fact, I do remembering welding on one and it is cast steel. Welded a tab onto one for lifting it with a hoist. It's still holding today. Welded OK. Like cast steel does. Cast Iron No chance.
Let me edit that by saying I'm 90% sure they're cast steel.
Fact, I do remembering welding on one and it is cast steel. Welded a tab onto one for lifting it with a hoist. It's still holding today. Welded OK. Like cast steel does. Cast Iron No chance.
Masiony
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this is my delema. i am hoping for cast steel, i need to weld to it.
CDA 455
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!
Hossbaby50
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What do you need to weld to it? You can weld to cast iron if you do it right with the right welding rods and procedure. Rene (TRusty) would be able to give you good insite on it I bet.
I have welded to mine with a flux core Mig welder. Nothing super structural but it is holding sofar.
Harley
I have welded to mine with a flux core Mig welder. Nothing super structural but it is holding sofar.
Harley
Masiony
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i need to plate the bottom.
Hossbaby50
3/4 ton status
Get some high nickel content rod ment for welding on cast iron and buzz it on.
Harley
Harley
the older 14FF are "Ductile"cast iron, which is weldable. the newer version, 88' and up with the ribbed center section is also cast iron, but its "Gray" cast iron. not weldable. Ductile cast iron will weld ok to good with the right rod, but its still cast iron. still is nothing like steel. If your shaving the bottom for clearence and plating it, and turning the ring gear down, it should hold up fine IF you do it right. preheat the center section, have everything VERY clean and free of gear oil, no rust or dirt. You dont want any porosity in the welds. weld inside and out side of the plate. add gussets to the inside if there is room.
I'd agree with Ductile cast. Cast Iron (grey) would crack like a sumbitch. Flux Core or MIG should do just fine.
Rene
Rene
your right, I welded on Ductile cast with my MIG and it welded fine. I welded a piece of tube to a old 14FF drum for a grinder stand. thay are Ductile cast iron. pic
http://coloradok5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11494&d=1133373024
so not too hijack or anything but how about the knuckles and Cs on a 44 and 60 I welded a steering arm onto a 44 knuckle that had all three studs broke, I just didn't know they were broke the weld was for insurance but ended up holding it on for a couple years so I assume ductile iron on those too.
First clue is if you see they were welded from the factory. "C"'s are welded to the tube...ergo it must be a weldable cast.
Take a junk T-case adaptor and weld something to it, then examine the end result and you'll see that it's pretty obvious when you're dealing with grey cast. Grey cast is good for certain things like engine blocks...but not so great for things like knuckles and steering arms. It' strong, but brittle. Ductile cast is a lot tougher without the brittleness.
Rene
Take a junk T-case adaptor and weld something to it, then examine the end result and you'll see that it's pretty obvious when you're dealing with grey cast. Grey cast is good for certain things like engine blocks...but not so great for things like knuckles and steering arms. It' strong, but brittle. Ductile cast is a lot tougher without the brittleness.
Rene
Masiony
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is anybody sure that is NOT cast steel?
