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1985 Burb tailgate window motor - strange issue!

Fenix

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Hey guys,

I stumbled across this incredibly helpful forum a while ago and have been reading lots of old threads here for several months already. I recently got a 1985 C20 Suburban (Silverado line) in mint condition, which isn't that easy these days over here in Europe. As everything else was more or less the way I wanted it I got the truck even though it didn't have the barn doors that I would've preferred and now I'm stuck with an unnerving issue on the tailgate window lift mechanism.

There's an old post from 2011 by garlicbread on here ( https://ck5.com/forums/threads/suburban-tailgate-power-window-repair.288063/ ) that helped me alot understanding how the whole thing works and also solving the first (and a lot more relevant) problem I had: The window wouldn't go up at all. Turns out it was just the safety release on the passenger side of the tailgate, where the connector had fallen off the terminal - doh.

Now to my problem at hand: The window moves fine when operated from the dash switch inside but won't move when turning the key on the tailgate. I know that this is a common issue and these electrical window lifts are not exactly the most reliable, but the strange thing is that I think (?) I checked every possible cause by now and still it won't work. I took the whole tailgate apart and looked at all the wires and parts, measured everything with a multimeter. The lock gets 12v power from the firewall with the ignition off and turning the lock leads to power being distributed to either of the two 'up'/ 'down' wires leading from it to the window motor. The 12.3 something power also arrives at the end of the wires leading into the motor connectors just as it should. And this is where I'm at a loss: The motor evidently works, as it's no problem to move the window with the ignition on and the switch on the dash. Why doesn't it work when it gets the same power from the same wires, only powered by / through the lock?

I couldn't find anything helpful online or in my Haynes/Chilton. As these motors aren't really available as replacement parts as far as I know and sending mine in for overhaul just on a hunch isn't really an option either (I'm located in Germany) I didn't consider replacing the motor yet.

I know this is a rather detailed request but maybe some of you had a similar problem or just tons of experience when it comes to these locks / motors? Thanks tons in advance.

cheers, Tim
 
I have the same problem with my 85 k5 electric tailgate lock.
I completely disassembled the lock and found that there are 2 copper tabs inside the back of the cylinder with constant 12+ and when you turn the key the tabs contact one of the wires going to the electric motor.
The copper tabs where rotted away.
I ordered a new lock together with door locks at motorcityk5.
They still have to arrive after 7 weeks... damm usps..

Also check the glass run channel mine are very badly rusted.
And the drive cable from the electric motor to the gear unit needs replacement.
 
Hey rc,

thanks for the reply and advice. I didn't take the whole lock apart yet, but in my case I ruled the lock out as cause since the power distribution to either wire seems to be working fine when turning the lock. Apart from sending 12v either this or the other way, which mine does, the lock shouldn't do anything else, should it?

What do you mean by the drive cable from the motor to the gear unit? The motor is directly connected to the window regulator with a pinion drive on mine. Also, everything works pretty fine when operated with the dash switch... ;)

Good luck with your shipment.
 
2 wires on the back of the lock are always live. And the lock functions as switch.
Connecting one of the live wires to the contact wires to the electric motor.

My electric motor is connected to the window driver with a steel cable/ bowden cable.
 
Ok, probably slight difference between K5 and C20 motor mechanism then.

The way I measured only 1 of 3 wires is live at all times at the lock, that would be the central orange/black one coming from the firewall. Depending on which side you turn the key to either the right or left one then gets its power, too, and that goes to the electric motor. All that seems to work fine on mine. Do you have a multimeter and tried measuring whether the power arrives at the motor terminal once you turn the key? Thats what I did. If it doesn't, the fault is obviously in the lock or the wire between lock and motor...
 
If testing the circuit with the motor disconnected, the switch can appear to work. The load from the motor could affect the results. Not sure how you tested your switch.
 
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