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Sold PARTING OUT - 1993 K2500 - 6.5TD/NV4500/NP241

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Have been thinking about either fixing this or parting it out for my own use, but @Richcz28 tells me he wants to buy it, so I've decided to see what interest it generates.

1993 K2500, 6.5TD/NV4500/NP241. Mechanically controlled turbodiesel engine, 338,000 miles. Engine has been replaced twice, not sure about the rest of the drivetrain. My parents bought this truck in 2011 to use as a (hobby) farm truck. Dad replaced both batteries, the fuel sending unit, and repaired the rear brakes (including e-brake). I did a head & gasket replacement (including new injectors) to eliminate a water--> oil leak. Upon test firing we discovered that the block was also cracked. :doah: My dad lost interest in it at that point, but he did some horsetrading to have a junkyard engine installed by an acquaintance. The acquaintance installed a used engine with a failed dual-mass flywheel. :doah: :doah: :doah: (failure mode here is that when idling below about 1000RPM the failed balancer knocks the snot out of the crankshaft). Dad has been utterly fed up with the truck ever since, and it's mostly been sitting. He doesn't have many miles on it during the 5 years that he's owned it (maybe 1000?). Aside from myself driving it around the block when I visit the farm, I haven't seen it move for a couple of years. I think the new injectors & return lines stayed with the new heads (which Dad sold), so I'm not claiming that this truck has new injectors.


Current state:

Runs and drives. I set the idle to 1000RPM to avoid crankshaft damage, but flywheel should be replaced. Yesterday. Or the crankshaft is going to need replacement. The dual-mass flywheel is an idea that GM tried out for a few years, but abandoned after figuring out that it had longevity issues. Both later 6.5s and all 6.2 engines came with single-mass flywheels, which is what I would put on the engine if I were going to use it. Glow plugs have been replaced (though I admit skipping the 3rd cylinder on the passenger side because it wasn't fun to get to underneath the turbine). GPs are now controlled by a manual button. Oil leaks at the turbine. NV4500 Transmission shifts normally. 4WD works in both high and low range. Rear end is 10.5" 14BFF with 4.10 gears. Drivetrain clicks and pops between shifts like a Detroit would do. He thought the rear end was loose, so I reset the rear end backlash, but no difference was observed. U-joints aren't excessively loose. I didn't think to check whether the truck actually has a Detroit back there, but if it doesn't, something else is loose in the drive train. The flywheel, clicking, and oil leak are why it has been parked (like I said, he's emotionally done fixing this truck). He has consistently gotten 14MPG with it. It is an A/C truck, but the A/C lines are missing (I believe all other equipment is there).


Body is rusting out (cab corners & fenders first). Whether or not you consider this a rust bucket probably depends on where you live, but it has seen better days. The frame still has some rubberized coating (which I consider a rare blessing). Rich, I don't have a picture of the front frame rails, and I haven't looked at them recently. But I'm confident they aren't rusting structurally yet, or neither Dad nor I would have touched the truck.

The P.O. installed a gooseneck ball in the bed and a spring-mounted trailer hitch at the rear. Electric trailer brake controller. Topper is a Ford topper and is a couple inches too wide for the truck (but does come with the truck if you want it). Cab is pretty standard shortcab. Bench seat rocks fore & aft.

I don't have a picture of it, but Dad does have the original dealer tag showing options purchased when new.



Price? Seems like this series of trucks in decent condition brings $4k-$5k in this area. Given the problems, I'm gonna say $2,000 OBO. If you don't like that, lemme know what you think it's worth (and why), and I'll think about it.


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campfire.....I know you live in the Midwest.....not sure about that price....1200 when the sun shines on a dogs ass.....typical Midwest price is 800

338,xxx with a 6.5 that's needs work... your envy4500 trans has you seeing crooked..


oh yeah, I love me some GMT400 3/4 ton to....
 
campfire.....I know you live in the Midwest.....not sure about that price....1200 when the sun shines on a dogs ass.....typical Midwest price is 800

338,xxx with a 6.5 that's needs work... your envy4500 trans has you seeing crooked..


oh yeah, I love me some GMT400 3/4 ton to....

Not seeing crooked. As I said above, I'm not claiming to know what it's worth. I gave craigslist a few minutes, sifted through folks wanting $4k and $5k for similar trucks in good condition ($5900 example here), and cut the price in half (and then some) for a troubled rig. And then asked for offers from folks who do know what it's worth. The only reason that I threw a price out at all (vs. simply asking what it's worth) is that Rene said that I had to do so in order to comply with the rules. It's not my truck, I don't know what it's worth, I'm simply seeing if dad's troubled farm truck can find a happier ending than the $1000 that he's been offered by one of the local dealers. Oh, and Rich asked for specs on it as he is looking for a similar truck. I don't blame him for wanting a truck in nicer condition any more than I blame you for thinking it's a basket case (it is). I do, however, think that you have your numbers wrong (if you can actually find a 6.5/NV4500 rig for $800, I'd have some interest in buying one for drivetrain upgrades). Haven't looked a whole lot, but I sure haven't seen one below $1000 (in any condition). I can't even always find a 6.2 truck below that threshold. Today the cheapest 6.2 rig I can find is $1500 with an air leak.
 
GLWS, that's at least a $1,500 truck down here.

SOLD! :rotfl: :rolleyes:

I may well be wrong, but I figured he should be able to get more money out of it than what he was offered. $1000 for a drivable tow rig seems like a pittance to me, even if it does have problems. Nice ones seem to be an arm and a leg. Not everyone wants to pay $9k for an old truck. :dunno:

@beags86, do you have sample advertisements for where I can get one of these $800 trucks?
 
SOLD! :rotfl: :rolleyes:

I may well be wrong, but I figured he should be able to get more money out of it than what he was offered. $1000 for a drivable tow rig seems like a pittance to me, even if it does have problems. Nice ones seem to be an arm and a leg. Not everyone wants to pay $9k for an old truck. :dunno:

@beags86, do you have sample advertisements for where I can get one of these $800 trucks?

$800 trucks don't live on craigslist.
They live in farmers fields with weeds growing up around them or a snow bank next to them.

I can't personally think of a single time that I have bought something off c-list for asking price, or sold something with a true number of what I wanted out of said object on the Ad. C-list for the most part has ruined honest to goodness horse trading.

In 2005 I bought a RUNNING 454/NV4500 1991 GMT400 4X4 for $600 bucks.... from a farmer that didn't use it anymore. it was in similar shape to your folks, and that was 11 yrs ago.
I have probably owned about a dozen early ninety's gmt400 3/4 tons. I love the hell out of them and they are great trucks. I am not trying to offend you nor am I saying you can't get 2 out of it the right person. You might be able to.
I am just stating that I don't see that value there. If I still ran my snow plowing business where I went though these trucks like water, I myself would be trying to buy this truck from you (for 800 bucks- lol) Personally I have ran the whole range of these trucks from my $600 '91 454 GMT400 to my current $9,000 '93 454 GMT400 I got 14 years ago.
 
$800 trucks don't live on craigslist.
They live in farmers fields with weeds growing up around them or a snow bank next to them.

I can't personally think of a single time that I have bought something off c-list for asking price, or sold something with a true number of what I wanted out of said object on the Ad. C-list for the most part has ruined honest to goodness horse trading.

In 2005 I bought a RUNNING 454/NV4500 1991 GMT400 4X4 for $600 bucks.... from a farmer that didn't use it anymore. it was in similar shape to your folks, and that was 11 yrs ago.
I have probably owned about a dozen early ninety's gmt400 3/4 tons. I love the hell out of them and they are great trucks. I am not trying to offend you nor am I saying you can't get 2 out of it the right person. You might be able to.
I am just stating that I don't see that value there. If I still ran my snow plowing business where I went though these trucks like water, I myself would be trying to buy this truck from you (for 800 bucks- lol) Personally I have ran the whole range of these trucks from my $600 '91 454 GMT400 to my current $9,000 '93 454 GMT400 I got 14 years ago.

Yeah, that is a very different type of sale, and I've bought a few of those, too (both of my DDs are in that category, though one of them did come from CL). And it's pretty likely that dad'll just take the $1k and run with it. I already know he doesn't want to deal with the headache that is craigslist. And I can't blame him there. :doah: He'd rather lose any potential extra value than deal with terrible buyers.

How did you find a truck in similar condition in 2005? That truck must have had a hard life to be that beat up that quickly.
 
Yeah, that is a very different type of sale, and I've bought a few of those, too (both of my DDs are in that category, though one of them did come from CL). And it's pretty likely that dad'll just take the $1k and run with it. I already know he doesn't want to deal with the headache that is craigslist. And I can't blame him there. :doah: He'd rather lose any potential extra value than deal with terrible buyers.

How did you find a truck in similar condition in 2005? That truck must have had a hard life to be that beat up that quickly.

Came from a hog farmer. It probably was in slightly better Shape. But do you know how quickly hog shit rusts things? As far as farms are concerned it's the worst kind of shit.
 
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Lol! I just clicked on your links you posted
I had that teal colored one! It was a 350/auto but the same ugly teal w/ a silver bottom. And the guy with the 6.2.... yeah right..1500 seems like a pipe dream to me....oddly enough it's sitting in the weeds though....

And no fancy air filters?!?! Deals off!!
 
Lol! I just clicked on your links you posted
I had that teal colored one! It was a 350/auto but the same ugly teal w/ a silver bottom. And the guy with the 6.2.... yeah right..1500 seems like a pipe dream to me....oddly enough it's sitting in the weeds though....

And no fancy air filters?!?! Deals off!!

But looking through CL, that is the cheapest 6.2 truck of the 6 or 8 that I see. At least, the cheapest one that is labeled as a diesel. It's quite likely that another 6.2 rig is just labeled "Ford Truk 500$" with no pictures, but I can't evaluate that at a glance. :wink1:
 
Yep no doubt people list them for higher prices. I would like to know actual selling prices though.

I still believe that most of the general public doesn't want to buy a 20 plus yr old truck. When talking about the 6.2 I think it's even more of a stretch because that's the era when the Oldsmobile 350 diesel had ruined the general public's perspective of diesel fuel engines. And with the modern turbo diesel technology who really wants to mess with an old underpowered, noisy, smelly engine.

Hell most my car guy friends barely want to mess with carbs anymore...and I myself am becoming that way.

We here are cars guys and we think differently then most. We might buy a 6.2 that's in a 35 yr old truck. There may be enough of out there to support these higher prices, but I just don't see it.
The the lowest i have ever paid ( excluding the free vehicles I have gotten- like the 350 jag in my lemons thread)
Was 35 bucks for a running 84 k5 blazer.
Granted it only ran to get it on the trailer... but technically a running driving k5....
Or maybe I just have been spoiled...
 
Yep no doubt people list them for higher prices. I would like to know actual selling prices though.

I still believe that most of the general public doesn't want to buy a 20 plus yr old truck. When talking about the 6.2 I think it's even more of a stretch because that's the era when the Oldsmobile 350 diesel had ruined the general public's perspective of diesel fuel engines. And with the modern turbo diesel technology who really wants to mess with an old underpowered, noisy, smelly engine.

Hell most my car guy friends barely want to mess with carbs anymore...and I myself am becoming that way.

We here are cars guys and we think differently then most. We might buy a 6.2 that's in a 35 yr old truck. There may be enough of out there to support these higher prices, but I just don't see it.
The the lowest i have ever paid ( excluding the free vehicles I have gotten- like the 350 jag in my lemons thread)
Was 35 bucks for a running 84 k5 blazer.
Granted it only ran to get it on the trailer... but technically a running driving k5....
Or maybe I just have been spoiled...

Not sure what actual selling prices are. I know I saw one 6.5 rig posted for $9000. Had to laugh at that one, I imagine he deliberately didn't want it to sell. I bought my Big Blue K10 for $1, but it was with the understanding that the 700R4 was in the process of failing. But I did drive it 15 miles home, and later drive it to the tranny shop for a rebuild. :)

I will say this...if dad lowers his price enough I would be tempted to part the truck out. I could use a serpentine/turbo setup for one of mine. And while I'm wanting an NV3500 for the next project, I wouldn't turn the NV4500 down if it were cheap enough.

I'm still hoping he gets more for the truck alive than he would dead.
 
Parting it out might get you more profit. Those nv4500s seem to go for more (see alot priced for a grand) without the truck attached.
 
Parting it out might get you more profit. Those nv4500s seem to go for more (see alot priced for a grand) without the truck attached.

If it were my truck, that's probably what I would do (in that area). I know that folks ask an arm and a leg for NV4500s, but it's hard to imagine someone actually paying that for them. I know of multiple junkyards that sell them for $200 (which is what I paid for mine). If they were really a gold-plated item (aside from the minds of some), I could see parting one out. But I can buy a professionally rebuilt NV4500 for about $1K on Ebay (sometimes with core charge, sometimes without). Some folks want as much as $2k, but cheaper prices are out there. So I don't understand why folks pay $1000 for an old unit.

If someone wants parts from this I'm not against parting it out. But it hasta make financial sense or it's just a waste of my time. Dad's already said he doesn't wanna touch it, he's moved on to other projects.
 
If it were my truck, that's probably what I would do (in that area). I know that folks ask an arm and a leg for NV4500s, but it's hard to imagine someone actually paying that for them. I know of multiple junkyards that sell them for $200 (which is what I paid for mine). If they were really a gold-plated item (aside from the minds of some), I could see parting one out. But I can buy a professionally rebuilt NV4500 for about $1K on Ebay (sometimes with core charge, sometimes without). Some folks want as much as $2k, but cheaper prices are out there. So I don't understand why folks pay $1000 for an old unit.

If someone wants parts from this I'm not against parting it out. But it hasta make financial sense or it's just a waste of my time. Dad's already said he doesn't wanna touch it, he's moved on to other projects.
I hear ya on that, its kinda like those old ,rusty, high mileage, Cummins being posted up for like 10 grand
 
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