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2007 -2010 Tahoe Service

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Edit: Thread direction changed, didn't get much response, so i'm going to detail my experiences for others

Ok, so it sounds like my parents are getting a 2007 Tahoe.

Picking it up from some friends, 60k on the clock.

I really haven't spent any time looking at this newer coil sprung front end.

Is it a true coil spring/shock coaxial config, or is it a strut setup?

Where do you guys go for service manual stuff on the newer ones? I've always just kinda stumbled through whatever service i had to do on our 01, as it was close enough to the 90's IFS trucks that i had a service manual for, and just went to autozone.com repair guides for specifics.

Unfortunately, no autozone repair guides for stuff that new :(

Before personal inspection by myself, i am preparing to have to do brakes very soon, and possibly shocks. Its front/rear disk obviously, so that should be easy enough to change pads on, but would like to see the instructions in case i have to mess with the parking brake shoe thing.

As long as its a regular shock front/rear, i see no problems with this part.

Anyways, recommendations on service instructions for newer chevy's?
 
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your gonna have better luck with the new stuff over here http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forums/

Yah, i know, but i hate that place:haha:.

Not looking for specific instructions, more just where to get them.

EDIT:
So if i order a repair manual, who's is the best for newer stuff? Someone's got to have an opinion on that. I think i have a chiltons for my older junk......Hayes or Chiltons?
 
Ok, only manual i could find was the newly released 07 Haynes. Ordered it, but i think i have to do the work before it will get here :doah:

Any advice on changing the shock/strut in teh new front coilover setup? I figure i can rent a spring compressor if needed from Kragen, just don't have any experience with these setups.

Thanks guys!
 
So, I posted about this project looking for some help, and didn't find anything here. Little info was found over at FSC, so i decided to do a writeup of my experiences here.

All listed torque specs are off the top of my head, from reading them yesterday, so take them for what they are worth.

Lets start with brakes. The new brake caliper/bracket configuration is sweet. Basically, if you remove one slide bolt, the caliper will rotate up out of the bracket, and leave the pads in the bracket/clip setup. Makes it pretty easy to service. The Fronts are dual piston, too. Basically, you loosen the upper slide bolt, remove lower, compress pads/piston with c clamp, and pivot up. Clean clips, lube contact points on clips, install pads, rotate caliper back down, bolt in place. Front slide bolt torque spec is 75 ftlbs, rear is 36ftlbs, IIRC. This is true for both front/rear pad change. In the front, i was getting a little pulsating in the pedal, so i removed the caliper bracket, and took the rotors in to be properly turned. When reinstalling the brake caliper bracket, the bracket bolt torque is like 140ft/lbs.

Onto shocks/struts.
The 07 is a new IFS design, and has a front coil/strut configuration. This coil is in a lot of tension, so be careful. The service manual gives you no guidelines besides removing it as a unit, as you need a pretty large spring compressor to remove the strut safely.

I unbolted the top and bottom of the assembly, and just pulled down on the control arms to give myself enough room to remove the Strut/coil as a unit.

I was planning to go buy a spring compressor, so i decided to take my chances getting the old strut out. I knew it was going to pop pretty big when the strut unbolted, and i was right. I basically wrapped the whole thing in a towel, wore safety glasses, and removed the top strut nut with a ratchet. This thing was under a LOT of tension. Spring expanded at 4". Not sure i would recommend doing this.

Once i realized how much tension it was under, I decided it wasn't worth the risk of compressing it with some cheap Kragen spring compressor. Took it to a shop, and they compressed the springs and installed the new struts in teh assembly for $20/ea. This guy was scared to do these with his wall mounted spring compressor, so i made the right decision. Make sure to NOT reuse the top strut nut - they provide you with a new one. Just make sure you index the top plates, springs, and strut lower mounting studs so everything is lined up properly to reinstall. The 3 studs on the upper plate look symmetrical, but they ARE NOT. I used a little paint on the top plate, spring, strut before i removed, and then just showed the shop guy how i wanted it.

Once the new strut was installed, reinstalling the assembly on the truck was as easy as removing it. Torque mounting nuts to spec (which i forget).

Rears were standard shocks, which were easy enough to remove. Stupid upper frame bracket requires you to reach around the frame and weasel a metric socket on the back of the mounting bolt to keep it from spinning. Mounted on top of the frame, right where this socket/extension needs to go, there apparently is a connector for the rear axle speed sensors (one for each side). I didn't' realize this until i fired up the truck, and Stabilitrak, Traction control, and ABS systems said they needed to be serviced. When i went to check the sensors, i somehow completely disconnected BOTH plugs. What are the chances? Besides that hickup, the rear shocks are easy.

Trans
This truck has 60k on it, so i wanted to change the trans fluid. GM recommends 50k for severe duty, and 100k for normal use, but this seems too long to me, even on synthetic ATF. Really, what it comes down to, is GM doesn't give a damn what happens after 100k when the powertrain warranty runs out.

So, bought the trans filter, and 5 quarts of Dex VI ATF. This stuff is like $6 or $7 a quart, full synthetic. Kragen only carries it by the qt, not the gallon. Oh well.

I think this trans is a 4l65e, but not positive. I used a fluid extraction device to suck as much of the trans fluid out the dipstick as i could.

Then, to drop the pan, the shift cable and bracket need to be removed. The shift cable end just pops off the shift lever, and there is a U shaped retainer clip that holes it in the bracket. Once this cable is out of the way, you need to remove the shift cable bracket. This has 2 torx bolts in it from the top, wish i remembered the size. These buggers were in there, took a 3/8" ratchet to break them lose, even though it was a small torx size. Once this bracket is out of the way, you look clear to drop the pan.

Unfortunately, once the bolts are removed, the pan can't drop down low enough to be removed w/o removing exhaust. I've learned my lesson with trying to reseal y pipes to manifolds, so i opted to not drop the y pipe/cat setup. What i did was drop the pan enough to be able to suck out the rest of the fluid. Once the pan was dry, i was able to tip it enough to remove and replace the trans filter. Kinda bummed i couldnt' drop the pan to check/clean, and replace the gasket, but whatever. This worked fine, just not ideal. After the filter was changed, I reinstalled the pan, shift bracket, and shift cable. Then added 5 qts of Dex VI, and was done!

Other than those plugs that tripped the traction control warnings, this project went pretty smoothly. I was glad I gave in and had the struts professionally assembled.
Total cost of this project ended up at about $680, and woudl have cost about $1200 to get done. Not a bad savings for 9 hrs of work:D
 
WOW, you unbolted the struts without compressing them? Scary.

Dropping the trans pan only gets out those few quarts. There is more than double that in the entire system. Best way is to take it to a shop with a machine and get everything out. Cooler, lines, torque converter.

The y-pipes on the newer trucks are super simple. The passenger side has a ceramic donut on it, don't drop it, it will break. 15MM nuts on the flanges. Driver side has a flat flange with a crushable o-ring. GM only part but if you're careful and don't bend it you can probably re use it. 3 15mm nuts on that side, rear flange of the y-pipe are 2 15mm nuts. To drop it is easy. To remove it you have to drop the cross-member, that stinks.
 
WOW, you unbolted the struts without compressing them? Scary.

Agreed, but i thought it through, and put myself in a position where either end jumping out of the spring wouldn't cause any damage/injury. Would i do it again? Probably not, as i now realize the same setup that will be used to install the new strut would work to remove the old. But i'm glad i didn't try and do it with some underbuilt spring compressor. Releasing the strut with a compressor attached seems more risky than compressing a spring starting from equilibrium with the same compressor. Using a weak compressor, and having that blow up in my face, was also a legit concern of mine.

Dropping the trans pan only gets out those few quarts. There is more than double that in the entire system. Best way is to take it to a shop with a machine and get everything out. Cooler, lines, torque converter.
Agreed, but dropping the pan is also how i do it on older stuff, and that doesn't get all the fluid out either. But we accept that it gets enough out to make the service worth while. Really, on this truck, it was a service being done ahead of schedule, so any change in fluid is above and beyond the recommended schedule, whether its a complete flush or not.

The y-pipes on the newer trucks are super simple. The passenger side has a ceramic donut on it, don't drop it, it will break. 15MM nuts on the flanges. Driver side has a flat flange with a crushable o-ring. GM only part but if you're careful and don't bend it you can probably re use it. 3 15mm nuts on that side, rear flange of the y-pipe are 2 15mm nuts. To drop it is easy. To remove it you have to drop the cross-member, that stinks.
Hm, good info. But at the same time, removing the one on my 91 is simple in concept, and damn near impossible in practice. So i'm glad i avoided it this time, but nice to hear that it may not have been that hard to do.

Thanks for your response!
 
Agreed, but i thought it through, and put myself in a position where either end jumping out of the spring wouldn't cause any damage/injury. Would i do it again? Probably not, as i now realize the same setup that will be used to install the new strut would work to remove the old. But i'm glad i didn't try and do it with some underbuilt spring compressor. Releasing the strut with a compressor attached seems more risky than compressing a spring starting from equilibrium with the same compressor. Using a weak compressor, and having that blow up in my face, was also a legit concern of mine.

Yeah sometimes these struts and modified struts are scary to work on, especially under heavy load like these and the trailblazers. It's good to change them ahead of schedule. GM under shocks all their vehicles. Bilstein doesn't even use the same ones in the aftermarket applications. They have to follow what GM says.
 
Yeah sometimes these struts and modified struts are scary to work on, especially under heavy load like these and the trailblazers. It's good to change them ahead of schedule. GM under shocks all their vehicles. Bilstein doesn't even use the same ones in the aftermarket applications. They have to follow what GM says.


Yah, this was an LT, 60k on it, no towing, etc. Good amount of mountain driving.
Damn this dove hard during braking, and floated around over bumps on the freeway.

Can you clarify what you said about the bilsteins? I think you made a typo, and now i don't' understand.
 
If it were me I wouldn't even waste my money on either of those spring compressors. You want a clamshell type spring compressor at the least.
Like this one:
http://www.etoolcart.com/clamshellstruttoolcompressor-otc6494.aspx

Yes, you can get cheaper ones than the OTC brand, it was just the one that popped up when I searched. You could always see how much a local shop would charge to swap them out, most places use a wall mounted strut compressor.

The trans. service was a good thought but honestly without doing a flush the 4 or 5 quarts of new doesn't go very far when mixed with 10 or 12 dirty.
 
If it were me I wouldn't even waste my money on either of those spring compressors. You want a clamshell type spring compressor at the least.
Like this one:
http://www.etoolcart.com/clamshellstruttoolcompressor-otc6494.aspx

Yes, you can get cheaper ones than the OTC brand, it was just the one that popped up when I searched. You could always see how much a local shop would charge to swap them out, most places use a wall mounted strut compressor.

Yep, thats what they used at the shop, a wall mounted one. And for what I'm doing, I'm not going to buy a tool that expensive. I'm not doing enough to make it worth it.
 
Well from factory GM uses shocks and struts to get that softer ride most people want out of a brand new vehicle. If you go and buy shocks for an 07 tahoe, and look under what bilstein shows for replacements, they are going to have larger valving and higher pressure than the factory ones will.

I have an 04 envoy. From factory it has the soft ride suspension package. Well it's so soft it bounces like crazy and loses contact on the interstate going over bridges. After much research on trailvoy.com they all said the same thing about trailblazers, envoys, ascenders, rainiers, and 9-7x. The only exclusion was the TBSS. Everyone said the same thing about GM's numbers for bilsteins's, and bilstein non-GM show two different numbers. I personally went with the ever elusive TBSS shocks and struts and it handles awesome. Course if you went with Monroe they also use bigger valving and higher pressure.


Sorry, I didn't explain myself earlier. Hopefully this made some sort of sense.
 
Well from factory GM uses shocks and struts to get that softer ride most people want out of a brand new vehicle. If you go and buy shocks for an 07 tahoe, and look under what bilstein shows for replacements, they are going to have larger valving and higher pressure than the factory ones will.

I have an 04 envoy. From factory it has the soft ride suspension package. Well it's so soft it bounces like crazy and loses contact on the interstate going over bridges. After much research on trailvoy.com they all said the same thing about trailblazers, envoys, ascenders, rainiers, and 9-7x. The only exclusion was the TBSS. Everyone said the same thing about GM's numbers for bilsteins's, and bilstein non-GM show two different numbers. I personally went with the ever elusive TBSS shocks and struts and it handles awesome. Course if you went with Monroe they also use bigger valving and higher pressure.


Sorry, I didn't explain myself earlier. Hopefully this made some sort of sense.


That makes sense. The monroe's are definitely stiffer, haven't put more than 5 miles on them.
 

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