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350 TBI with Vortec heada

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So as the title states I am looking into putting Vortec heads on my TBI. Now I know I need the heads from 96-01 with casting numbers that end in either 906 or 062 but other than that what do I need? Well I also know I need a Vortec style intake. What's the easiest way to do this is what I am getting at I guess. I know a lot of guys that change over on this go carbureted but that doesn't work for me, I don't know anything about that. So basically what's the easiest way to do this?
 
Believe there is a thread that talks about the TBI to Vortec swap in regards to TV cable bracket being an issue.

Are you looking to do this on the cheap, or is price somewhat flexible? What is your goal with the engine? Is it going to stay stock otherwise, or more cam, exhaust, etc?

Vortecs add a fair bit of cost and complexity, and from all I've seen, the *low end* benefits aren't really there vs the stock TBI heads. Really depends on where you want to go with the engine as to whether or not you will want to stick with them.

Not trying to derail your thread, but you say easiest way, and vortecs probably aren't it...likely an aftermarket 64CC head with the later intake bolt pattern (if they are made, they must be) would be the easiest.

Vortecs have a fair number of limitations that need to be considered before deciding on using them.
 
Honestly the only reason I was thinking about is because it seems to pop up on every forum I look at. Everyone says the flow of the heads is so much better that it's stupid not to do it. AND I have access to a free pair of heads off a wrecked 99 Silverado. My plans for this Blazer aren't really anything major just looking to get more HP out of an underpowered engine is all. Over time I will keep upgrading and all that but I won't sit and say I have a build idea yet.
 
They seem to flow really well, better than every head made prior apparently (never really looked at as-cast camel humps vs. Vortecs flow numbers) but MOST people simply look at "it makes X more HP" and not the whole picture.

I've never run TBI heads. I've got TPI which already makes very good low end torque, I'm running long tube headers, and I've got a really mild roller cam that also is designed with torque in mind. So I'm not coming from a place of experience with TBI heads, just Vortecs, and I dumped all those parts into the motor at the same time. It does seem the Vortecs have little if any benefit over the TBI heads down low. If you don't need higher RPM, I'd think long and hard about the swap.

I'd take the heads regardless. Even if you don't use them, they could be resold later. Racing classes that spec stock heads often allow them, and they are thin castings, so they tend to use them up pretty quick. That transitions well into the thin casting part though...they often crack in the chamber IIRC, so be very careful if you do decide to get into them. Can't go wrong with free, but you'd want to ensure they aren't cracked before investing in the swap.

IME they need a LOT less timing than what previous heads needed. That becomes a bit of a pain with TBI.

Vortecs are often touted as being the end all, and the issues with them often are just kind of glossed over, but they are real. The valve springs are extremely weak, the valve guides are only good for about .450" lift without clearancing, they still have press in studs, they require guided rockers, they require a special intake, they may raise compression (depending on what your present head CC is), might have issues with TV cable geometry, and they benefit from a PROM tune. So that's a lot of money and time to invest in them, and I've not yet been convinced they are *better* than the TBI heads in terms of low-end.

If you google the specs of the L31 motor, which has a very mild cam, and whatever the truck TBI motor was, and look at the numbers, the L31 moved the power band into a higher RPM range, and at least with HP, the difference seems to solely come from the heads (oft-quoted/tested at +25HP over earlier heads) not from the induction setup...so if the Vortec heads make more power, but at a higher RPM range, are they REALLY any better if higher RPM isn't where you need it?
 
I see what you're saying and I guess I am glad I asked. Everyone just made it seem like there was no reason not tk do the swap. Let me ask you this. Say I was wanting to hit 300 hp at the crank. How would I get there?
 
I've never looked at what it would take with TBI to get there. I'd assume a BBC throttle body, enough fuel pressure to get fueling right, a decent cam, Vortec heads, long tube headers, then a good PROM tune. Of course the Vortecs would still require all the Vortec-specific components (plus upgrades to handle a bigger cam), but that's a given.

As-cast I don't think the swirl port heads flow enough to support that kind of power. You can mod them to get there I believe, but if you've got free Vortecs, that would be a bit more cost effective....then again I'd never slap used heads on something I wanted to last, surfaced, new springs, valve job, probably screw in studs, roller rockers, etc. would be what I'd be looking at.

I'm sure with probably just a cam and heads you might get to 300HP (no idea if the SBC throttle body will support that), but headers and the larger throttle body would likely make it easier without having to rely so much on the cam and heads to do all the work.

thirdgen.org's TBI forum probably has some build threads with results, and I suspect if you google "magazine article SBC 300hp" or some-such you could find a few dyno-proven builds with parts lists.
 
I've done this swap and because I was also going 383 with a cam it worked out well for me. I have plenty of power where I need it and can spin my 35s with my 10 bolt 3.73s all day long. However, personally I was never able to get the geometry right on the tv cable, so I went to a manual. I'm not saying it can't be done as there are plenty that have done it. If you are going to go through all the work of the changing to vortec heads from tbi, then I would wait and save to upgrade the cam and exhaust as well as you will need a tune to take advantage of the new heads. You also need to look at alternatives for egr if you require it as vortec heads do not have this plumbed in them like tbi heads do.

If you are just looking to get a bump in power Google ultimate tbi mods or head to tbichips.com as he has some really good info on upgrades for tbi.
 
I've done this swap and because I was also going 383 with a cam it worked out well for me. I have plenty of power where I need it and can spin my 35s with my 10 bolt 3.73s all day long. However, personally I was never able to get the geometry right on the tv cable, so I went to a manual. I'm not saying it can't be done as there are plenty that have done it. If you are going to go through all the work of the changing to vortec heads from tbi, then I would wait and save to upgrade the cam and exhaust as well as you will need a tune to take advantage of the new heads. You also need to look at alternatives for egr if you require it as vortec heads do not have this plumbed in them like tbi heads do.

If you are just looking to get a bump in power Google ultimate tbi mods or head to tbichips.com as he has some really good info on upgrades for tbi.

I'm a little late to the party here, but as for throttle/TV geometry, I did find an aftermarket bracket that is adjustable and finally allowed me to tune in the right geometry. Hopefully it helps someone else who attempts this.

https://www.starperf.com/throttle-l...-black-powdercoated-throttle-linkage-bracket/
 
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