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500 cid Caddy TBI?

Thunder said:
With a stock GM truck 454 TBI adapter plate, 90 lbhr injectors, A 225lph walboro fuel pump, AFPR, the right dist, and some chip burning or a tuneable ECM like megasquirt or similar.. You may end up with a real monster on your hands.


OK, adapter plate is readily available correct? found it. Available from any of the performance places.

90lb/hr. injectors are available at any auto parts store or is this a custom thing?

AFPR??? adjustable fuel pressure regulator. Got it!

The right dist. I believe I could make something work here. Combination of a BBC dist. and a 500cad dist.

How available is chip burning? I've heard of some guys burning chips out there. Am I too understand, you give the engine specifics and from there they burn the chip accordingly?

What else is required? High pressure fuel lines, aldl cable thingy???
 
Chip burning is not that bad, you just have to play around with it a little bit and read up, look over at thirdgen.org for infor on tuning. To get started you will need some thing and below is the links of the stuff needed

Heres the links of every thing you should need
Pocket Programer
http://secure.transtronics.com/osc/p...roducts_id/304

Data Logging software and programing software
http://tunerpro.markmansur.com/downloadApp.htm

computer chips
http://www.moates.net/product_info.p...products_id=39

ALDL cable
http://mastach.com/index.php?module=aldl_hardware&l=en

getting all this stuff will allow you to burn your own chips the right way
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How about an intake? I am in the understanding that a single plane intake is desirable?

OH and thanks for the links. Looks like good stuff!
 
Thunder said:
This would work. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/454-350-GM-TBI-54mm-BBC-tbody-850cfm-Truck-SUV-Z28-TA_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33558QQihZ016QQitemZ260086835223
With a stock GM truck 454 TBI adapter plate, 90 lbhr injectors, A 225lph walboro fuel pump, AFPR, the right dist, and some chip burning or a tuneable ECM like megasquirt or similar.. You may end up with a real monster on your hands.

Anybody know who carries this 90 #/hr injector? How about a part number.

tubrocity doesn't list it not does summit that I could find.
 
The thing that I keep wondering about when talking if the 454 TBI will flow enough fuel is what are the respective RPM limits of each engine. I know that while they can be rev'd higher than they should be (think bowling ball sized main bearings), that the whole point of the 500 is to not have to rev the snot out of it. If that is the case perhaps the 454's flow isn't too far off?

diesel4me said:
snip.......
I read a 460 Ford intake can be bolted on a Caddy 500 with some adapters..wonder if you could morph a Ford EFI setup from a 460 on it??...that would be an abortion probably..:p:
You might have read something I wrote. The 460 intake's runner spacing & port shape is a nearly identical match to the Cad 472/500 engine. The bolt pattern is nowhere close. Typically what happens is that you modify the flanges of the intake to have the Cad bolt pattern.
The other issue is that the end rails are also totally different. That requires making some filler plates of the right shape & welding them to the intake.
The boys in the Edelbrock both at SEMA were upset when I asked if they just modified an old 460 masterplate to make their 472/500 intake. :D

As to the dizzy part, I've put the upper part of a Chevy HEI in a Chevy Points body (both a cast iron one and several aluminum) and the upper of a Chevy HEI in a Buick points dizzy body. I have no doubt that the upper of a TBI dizzy could be adapted to a Cad HEI or Point dizzy body.
I've not done it though so I'm not sure what the exact steps might be. If anyone has both dizzys & is willing to ship them to me I'll look into it and see what's required. Doing this sort of conversion is a side hobby of mine. So far I've put Ford D-S II stuff in I-H dizzys, Yota & Subaru stuff in ACVW dizzys, Yota stuff in flathead flat fender dizzys, and various GM HEI/points conversions. The D-S II > I-H is the most involved as I have to fire up the surface grinder & Spindex to grind the points cam down to the reluctor's ID.
PM if interested.
 
ntsqd said:
The thing that I keep wondering about when talking if the 454 TBI will flow enough fuel is what are the respective RPM limits of each engine. I know that while they can be rev'd higher than they should be (think bowling ball sized main bearings), that the whole point of the 500 is to not have to rev the snot out of it. If that is the case perhaps the 454's flow isn't too far off?


You might have read something I wrote. The 460 intake's runner spacing & port shape is a nearly identical match to the Cad 472/500 engine. The bolt pattern is nowhere close. Typically what happens is that you modify the flanges of the intake to have the Cad bolt pattern.
The other issue is that the end rails are also totally different. That requires making some filler plates of the right shape & welding them to the intake.
The boys in the Edelbrock both at SEMA were upset when I asked if they just modified an old 460 masterplate to make their 472/500 intake. :D

As to the dizzy part, I've put the upper part of a Chevy HEI in a Chevy Points body (both a cast iron one and several aluminum) and the upper of a Chevy HEI in a Buick points dizzy body. I have no doubt that the upper of a TBI dizzy could be adapted to a Cad HEI or Point dizzy body.
I've not done it though so I'm not sure what the exact steps might be. If anyone has both dizzys & is willing to ship them to me I'll look into it and see what's required. Doing this sort of conversion is a side hobby of mine. So far I've put Ford D-S II stuff in I-H dizzys, Yota & Subaru stuff in ACVW dizzys, Yota stuff in flathead flat fender dizzys, and various GM HEI/points conversions. The D-S II > I-H is the most involved as I have to fire up the surface grinder & Spindex to grind the points cam down to the reluctor's ID.
PM if interested.

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ntsqd said:
The thing that I keep wondering about when talking if the 454 TBI will flow enough fuel is what are the respective RPM limits of each engine. I know that while they can be rev'd higher than they should be (think bowling ball sized main bearings), that the whole point of the 500 is to not have to rev the snot out of it. If that is the case perhaps the 454's flow isn't too far off?

That's what I'm thinking. I'm not sure on the redline of either from the factory but I don't spin my caddies very tight. I've geared both of them specifically with that in mind. 4.88:1/44's in the blazer and the crewcab is 36's and 4.10s.
 
Well, the TBI friendly cam is no problem!
 
the distributer in my 88 v30 with a TBI setup did not have the coil on cap that seems to be what some of you are thinking will be a problem. It was a points type distributer.
 
mikey_d05 said:
Custom grind or is there an off the shelf cam that will work?

custom grind. Pretty reasonable for a custom cam.
 
desertrat67 said:
the distributer in my 88 v30 with a TBI setup did not have the coil on cap that seems to be what some of you are thinking will be a problem. It was a points type distributer.

Hmmm, I'd sure like to see the two together. May have to do some Jyardin' soon.
 
It's just a separate coil, it is NOT points. :)

Separate coil sometimes helps with cap clearance and the firewall, as it IS similar to a points setup in that it is quite a bit smaller in diameter, and probably a bit shorter overall.
 
mikey_d05 said:
Caddy dizzy's are in the front, firewall clearance isn't an issue.

However, to make the Caddy dizzy work and all the guts need to be swapped over then it'd be nice to start with and Hei sized dizzy with both or a points sized with both I'd think. Again, hard to say without seeing both of them.
 
What I need to know is if the TBI style dizzys use the same reluctor & pick-up coil assemblies as the HEI.

If this is true, then for the regular Cad HEI to work with the TBI system would only require that the mech. & vacuum advance both be locked out and that the TBI IGN module be substituted for the regular module. Locking out the vacuum advance is easy, I've done it a couple times for various reasons. Just have to pay attention to rotor phasing & you're good to go.
Sadly I own a TBI system, but haven't even popped the cap off the dizzy since I got the truck. A friend handled that & wires while I was changing the fuel filter. In the Circus-Circus parking lot in Reno. It's a long story......

If the TBI dizzy has a TDC ref or some other oddity, then the regular Cad HEI may still work with some mods, or it might not.
 
ntsqd said:
A friend handled that & wires while I was changing the fuel filter. In the Circus-Circus parking lot in Reno. It's a long story......

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

You guys should help Kert out lots, since I may have a future project that needs an electronic dizzy. :whistle:
 
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