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5w20 oil in a 75 350 engine?

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Could I use 5w20 oil without doing any damage to my truck? I happen to have 5 quarts sitting around and my baby needs an oil change. Its a 350 engine from a 1975 k5, rebuilt in 96 and im sure its the odometer has flipped since then. If I need to list any other info please let me know but im pretty sure that covers it.
 
That's a little thin. You could probably get by without any problems though. The oil presure might drop off a little more then normal when it comes up to temp. I wouldn't run the motor under any real hard load with that in there. i.e: Towing up hill. Did you do the rebuild? Do you rember what the bearing clearances were?
 
One advantage to a 5/20 is that when you first start up the truck, the oil will get to where it needs to go real quick. not a bad thing to have in the cold weather.

I agree that 5/20 is a bit thin for an engine with that many miles on it..I doubt it'll grenade or anything, just take it easy.


IIRC correctly, ford trucks call for a 5/20 when new, and that's ok I s'pose when everything is tight and new, and fuel economy is the prime concern.

I run my 5/30 in my 92 with a 350 - I just turned 98K on it, but I don't tow anything with it, and it's been in the family since day one new. My older trucks always got 15/40, because they were about worn out when I got them.
 
Seems a bit thin for a worn engine. It may be difficult to build pressure.
 
Yea i think im gonna just put the 5w30 in there since I wont really be driving it anywhere for a little while until I get some more work done on it. It will mostly just be sitting in a parking spot and started up once or twice a week. The oil currently in it is pretty dirty so I guess I could use this just to flush the system before I start driving it then put in the 10w30 when she actually goes out on the road.
 
5w20 5w30 are the same viscosity, they just have different additives that give them properties of a 20 or 30 weight. The additives change the "sheer" strength of the oil (the point at which oil molecules break down under stress) 10w30 10w40 are the same etc. Just FYI ;)
 
5w20 5w30 are the same viscosity, they just have different additives that give them properties of a 20 or 30 weight. The additives change the "sheer" strength of the oil (the point at which oil molecules break down under stress) 10w30 10w40 are the same etc. Just FYI ;)

Close.. If I can clarify something.. The 5w20 and 5w30 are the same viscosity, only when they are cold ( both being 5w)...I'm guessing that's what you meant right?

At operating temperature, one becomes a 20 weight, and the other becomes a 30..the additives you mention are viscosity indexers - they are polymers that allow the oil to thicken up to a pre - determined viscosity at that operating temperature. ( IE: 20, 30, 40, etc. )

Actually, since you brought up shear...viscosity indexers actually don't improve the ability of an oil to absorb heat, so they can't help "shear "..in fact, being polymers, they are one of the first things that fall out of suspension and oxidize when the oil begins to break down over time, under heat, and under pressure..this is where sludging comes from, and it happens to synthetics too, not just the cheapie mineral oils.

Warning - editorial comment ahead:

The presence of a lot of viscosity indexers is one reason that I personally don't like oils ( that aren't mine) that are 5w anything - when you have a "wide viscosity swing" like a 5w30, you have more polymers in there that just turn to crap when the basestock wears out..I prefer a 10w / 15w / 20w oil at cold temps, simply because there's less additives in there to go bad, and less viscosity change ( from 10w to 30w for example) is more conducive to better lubrication.

granted, I trade off some fuel mileage, but I'm all about minimizing viscosity change over time.


Sorry to go off on a tangent like that, I just dug the fact you brought up shear and heat management..

carry on.
 
Thanks for the clarification and yes, I was speaking about the cold temp rating. I preffer 10w30 15w40 vs 5w30, yet I run 5w30 in winter and 10w30 summer. I only change my oil every 6 months, I run synthetic and my 454 has 126,500 miles.

I have been considering 15w40 synthetic for this summer. From what I understand it's a much better type/weight of oil. :ears:
 
The main reason for manufactures calling for ultra thin oils, is for emissions. Or so I've been told.

FWIW: I've run 15w40 in all my motors for the past several years. Shell Rotela (I buy the gallons by the case).

While were on the subject of viscosity. Why does oil go in thick, then when you drain it out (when warm) it seems allot thiner. I've noticed this when breaking motors in. Goes in at room temp (at 15w), after 15 minutes of run time when comming out it's almost like water. Shouldn't it be thicker? Since it's at temp it should be 40w, right? This goes for any motor, I just mainly notice it when doing break ins.
 
The main reason for manufactures calling for ultra thin oils, is for emissions. Or so I've been told.

FWIW: I've run 15w40 in all my motors for the past several years. Shell Rotela (I buy the gallons by the case).

While were on the subject of viscosity. Why does oil go in thick, then when you drain it out (when warm) it seems allot thiner. I've noticed this when breaking motors in. Goes in at room temp (at 15w), after 15 minutes of run time when comming out it's almost like water. Shouldn't it be thicker? Since it's at temp it should be 40w, right? This goes for any motor, I just mainly notice it when doing break ins.

Actually, the thin oils are specified for new cars for several other reasons too, one being fuel mileage ( less energy loss due to friction), and another is to minimize "piston slap".. when an engine is cold..the quicker the oil can get into the bores, the quieter things will be.. lastly, the thinner oil is needed for use in the modern powerplants with tighter tolerances..but again, the trade off is, smaller engines generate heat, so oil sludging is an issue..

thinking further on emissions and oil, the thin oil is one aspect of "energy conserving oils".. not sure if you've noticed that label on some oils..anyway, the thin oil is there for reduced drag ( and better mileage ), but the other part is the reduced amount of metallic additives, like sulfur, zinc, etc.. everyone focuses on the reduced anti wear ability of these oils, but the other quality of oil that this additive reduction affects is TBN - which is a number that reflects an oils ability to reduce acids..( the higher TBN number the better) so, now you have a class of oils out there that shear into a water like consistency, and aren't doing much in the way of wear reduction.

As for your viscosity question, when you pour the oil out of the bottle, and it seems thick, ( it goes "glop - glop - glop" ), what's happening is that you are pouring a "cold" fluid with differing molecule sizes..once it sees combustion temps, it's thinning out a bit ( natural physics), but I'm sure if you had it sampled the viscosity would still be the same as it said on the bottle. after 3,000 miles it may not be, but after 15 minutes, it won't change.

Now, if you pour out an oil and it pours out smoothly, that means that all of your molecules are the same size.. that used to be the definition of a true synthetic oil.. Like mineral oil, it always was made from processed petroleum molecules, but "synthetic" used to mean they were engineered to be the same size, ( for easier cold weather starting and pumpability), and the molecules were from the PAO family of petroleum molecules ( which meant better heat handling capability).

Sadly, the term synthetic is now a marketing term ( thank you castrol), and it can mean whatever the oil marketer wants it to mean.. and that's a whole 'nother discussion.

And lastly, I like 15W40 too..one of my older blazers had a crazy high mileage 305 in it, and I used my 15W40 in it exclusively..check the labels and make sure the bottle says CI - 4 on it, that means there are the full complement of anti wear additives in it.. CJ - 4 has less, and the TBN number starts life in the low double / high single digits, so I wouldn't do the extended drain interval without analyzing it. You probably know this, I just mentioned it for those who don't.

If you want a CI 4, and you can't find it, PM me, I can whip up one that your engines will LOVE.
 
As for your viscosity question, when you pour the oil out of the bottle, and it seems thick, ( it goes "glop - glop - glop" ), what's happening is that you are pouring a "cold" fluid with differing molecule sizes..once it sees combustion temps, it's thinning out a bit ( natural physics), but I'm sure if you had it sampled the viscosity would still be the same as it said on the bottle. after 3,000 miles it may not be, but after 15 minutes, it won't change.

The "glop glop glop" is like mashing potatoes... the more you mash, the smoother/thinner they get. Oil molecules are the same. :D
 
I have no problems what so ever with oil pressure so im fine running it right now.

5w20 5w30 are the same viscosity, they just have different additives that give them properties of a 20 or 30 weight. The additives change the "sheer" strength of the oil (the point at which oil molecules break down under stress) 10w30 10w40 are the same etc. Just FYI ;)

Meant 10w30 my bad

And thanks for all the info 4by4bygod
 

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