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6.5 Turbo Deisel

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I'm pondering a straight up swap for a 6.5 Turbo Diesel from a 1995 Chevy 3500 Truck. The owner wants a 350 TBI for it. I wont have the harness or ECM and i dont have any diesel experience. This motor has 20K on it. I'll be trading my 200K 350 TBI for it. What do you think?
 
I think it is an awesome deal and you will like the turbo diesel much better than the 350. You will also like getting double the fuel mileage. You might not like doing the swap. It will bolt right in, but there is some electronic work ahead of you. I think those are drive by wire.
One easy fix is to swap in an injection pump from a 6.2. Those have fully mechanical injection pumps and just need 12 volts to tell them if they are on or off. You could use what used to be your coil wire. Just make sure you turn up the adjuster on that injection pump, and you should tune it with an EGT gauge.
Other than that you will just have to worry about powering the glow plugs, and if you don't mind holding a button for 5 or 10 seconds every time you start it cold, that can easily be rigged.
Another plus about these engines is that they start at almost any temperature, without being plugged in.
Here's a tip. Upgrade the glow plugs. It's like 60 bucks and the stock ones can mushroom if you overheat them, and not come out. Cheap insurance, plus the better ones get hotter.
 
Usually when a deal sounds too good to be true it is too good to be true.Id be looking at selling it but then if its junk itl come back at you.
 
I'm hoping the deal falls through and I get this motor for my backup 350.

Will I need to change fuel pump etc. I figure I'd have to flush tank swap filters and flush lines.

I think it is an awesome deal and you will like the turbo diesel much better than the 350. You will also like getting double the fuel mileage. You might not like doing the swap. It will bolt right in, but there is some electronic work ahead of you. I think those are drive by wire.
One easy fix is to swap in an injection pump from a 6.2. Those have fully mechanical injection pumps and just need 12 volts to tell them if they are on or off. You could use what used to be your coil wire. Just make sure you turn up the adjuster on that injection pump, and you should tune it with an EGT gauge.
Other than that you will just have to worry about powering the glow plugs, and if you don't mind holding a button for 5 or 10 seconds every time you start it cold, that can easily be rigged.
Another plus about these engines is that they start at almost any temperature, without being plugged in.
Here's a tip. Upgrade the glow plugs. It's like 60 bucks and the stock ones can mushroom if you overheat them, and not come out. Cheap insurance, plus the better ones get hotter.
 
I'm not sure about the 6.5, but the 6.2 has a mechanical pump mounted to the side of the motor, just like the old small blocks. The 6.2 and 6.5 are very similar motors. You could just clip the wire going to your in tank pump, the mechanical pump should pull right through the other pump like it's not even there.
 
wont pull threw the intank pump. think about it. way to much restriction for any real flow.

and you do know tranny tourqe convortor is diffrent . and computer control of tranny is done with computer for 6.5and whats in it.

better read up on all the fine points of a swap. its not just basic bolt in. unless you have a full doner vehicle for all the parts. :whistle:
 
The 6.5TDs use a lift pump mounted along the driver side frame rail. It is powered through the oil pressure switch on the back of the block behind the intake on the driver side. See if you can get that from the guy.
If I were you I'd buy a DB2 mechanical pump and dump all the EFI stuff. All that tends to be problematic anyway. I had a '95 K3500 and went mechanical with that when I installed a Peninsular Marine 300hp crate motor. The DB2 is a great pump and was used on 6.2s as well as 92/93 6.5NA & 6.5TDs. I got over 200,000 miles out of my first pump in my '92 K3500. The DB2 MFI pump is significantly cheaper than the DS1 EFI pump. Also,the 94/95 ECMs are not programmable,if you want to toy with adding power/changing boost settings,etc.
You didn't mention what vehicle this motor is going in or what transmission it has. The DB2 uses no ECM so if you have manual or a transmission that isn't computer controlled it's a piece of cake. My '95 was a 5spd,so I just pulled the plugs and let 'em hang. If it were an automatic (4L80E) I would have needed to have someone reprogram the ECM or find the ECM (stand alone) from a '91 6.2 3/4t Suburban or Crewcab.
 
Also take into consideration the fact that your frame rails are way narrower than the GMT400 trucks. You'll need to install a 6.2L exhaust manifold on the driver's side, and raise the whole engine up about 1/2" to make room for the turbo manifold on the pass side. You'll then either need to run your exhaust outside the frame rail through the inner fender, or install a 2" body lift to make room for the exhaust to run inside the frame rail. You'll need to make a custom crossover pipe that bends up and away from the front drive shaft to prevent contact there as well.

You can use your TBI fuel pump to feed the 6.5L, thats what I do with the turbo 6.2L in my K5. I use a TBI fuel filter on the frame rail in addition to the 6.5L fuel filter on the back of the intake. Some custom bending / flaring will be required to make the lines to fit everything up.

Installing the DS4 injection is possible, but it is still a considerable undertaking. As mentioned above, I would highly recommend a switch to a DB2 mechanical injection system and stand alone glow plug controller.

If you are running an automatic, your only options would be to run a 700r4 or find a stand alone controller to run a 4L60e/80e behind the engine. As mentioned, a diesel 700r4 is not the same as a gas version, it will need a different govenor and torque converter. The electric transmissions just require a different torque converter. You won't be able to use the old school vacuum lockup controllers for the torque converter either, as the diesel engine makes no vacuum (also requiring a switch to hydroboost brakes). You'll just have to wire the trans to lock up in 4th gear and stay locked up unless you hit the brakes.

Of course, you'll have to take cooling into consideration. These engines require an insane amount of cooling. You'll absolutely need to upgrade the rad to at least a 6.2L rad, even more with the turbo engine if you plan to do any towing or offroading where you might get the rad dirty. I've overheated my 6.2L at -30F before, and thats with all the best cooling components installed.

Also, before you buy that 6.5L, you need to check on a few things, even being low mileage. Pull the oil pan off and inspect the main bearings. These engines are famous for cracking along where the main fasteners are threaded in. Check for oil sprayers installed in the mains, those blocks are considerably weaker than the earlier or later blocks. Check the timing chain, make sure it isn't too sloppy. I have yet to touch a 6.2L or 6.5L that had a timing chain within tolerance. Also check on the harmonic balancer, it should be crack free, not missing any chunks or bulging out anywhere. The harmonic balancer is critical on these engines and must be checked on a very regular basis to be changed at the first sign of trouble. Also check on the turbo, make sure there is no lateral movement in the spindle, a little front to back is ok.

All in all this is not a quick or overly easy swap. Changing to a N/A 6.2L isn't half bad, but the turbo adds a fair bit of complication and expense. If you have everything laid out, planned and considered ahead of time, you can easily swap things over pretty quick though.
 
Guys after reading all this I've decided to keep what I have in place, 350 TBI 700R4 NP 241C. This doesnt seem worth the trouble. I have no issues with the truck but more MPG's would be nice. I may go for 5.3L and 4l60E swap if I can find all the parts on a good trade for my current motor and trans setup.
 
5.3 over the tbi 5.7 will be basicly 2x the power and prob good 1.5x the mileage.

i would love to score a new 6.2 / 6l80 combo . :whistle:
 

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