thanks craig, I had seen your system, looks good. unfortunately I have a finished garage and I am looking to pwoer it. I have my garage door people engineering a simple solution that I hope to bring back to the crowd here. I have seen a few ideas and am trying to come up wtih a solution that wil be both easy and automated, and inexpensive! will keep you posted, thanks! this is my 3rd K5, and I am planning on keeping this one for a VERY long time wtih everythign that has been done to it and I am doing to it. cheers.