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A.C. Hose Question

airemdwn

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My buddy has a 90 Suburban and he just "welded" a wrench to the rear AC line putting a hole in it. No explosions just sparks and noise.
Long story short, he wants to eliminate the rear A.C. and cut, pinch and solder shut the Line that taps off for the rear ac. My question is can that even be done? Is it possible to solder the aluminum tubing shut? What would u even use for solder?
He doesnt want to just plug it like i suggested because hes adding something on the fenderwell, and needs "that valuable real estate". :dunno:
 
It can be soldered fairly easily. You'll need silver solder, a torch capable of melting it and the appropriate flux. A standard propane torch has a hard time melting silver solder.

Why eliminate the rear A/C though? If the system is already open from the hole made by the wrench, it'll have to be serviced anyways to be functional again. Buying a new hose will be just as simple, if not more so, than cutting/crimping/soldering.
 
Is it possible to solder the aluminum tubing shut?
It can be soldered fairly easily. You'll need silver solder, a torch capable of melting it and the appropriate flux. A standard propane torch has a hard time melting silver solder.
silver solder aluminum tubing ?

Won't happen.

The aluminum tubing will melt away before silver solder does....


silver solders come in numerous different
alloys, each with it's specific purpose, and specific melting temperatures,
which can vary anywhere from around 1200*F to over 1800*F, depending on the
composition of the alloy.


A number of solder materials, primarily zinc alloys, are used for soldering aluminium metal and alloys and to some lesser extent steel and zinc. This mechanical soldering is similar to a low temperature brazing operation, in that the mechanical characteristics of the joint are reasonably good and it can be used for structural repairs of those materials.
The American welding society defines brazing as using filler metals with melting points over 450 °C (842 °F) — or, by the traditional definition in the United States, above 800 °F (427 °C). Aluminium soldering alloys generally have melting temperatures around 730 °F (388 °C).[11] This soldering / brazing operation can use a propane torch heat source.[12]
These materials are often advertised as "aluminium welding", but the process does not involve melting the base metal, and therefore is not properly a weld.
United States Military Standard or MIL-SPEC specification MIL-R-4208 defines one standard for these zinc-based brazing/soldering alloys.[13] A number of products meet this specification.[12][14][15] or very similar performance standards.[11]






If it were mine ,,,, and the hole was small... say 1/8" or smaller.....I would scuff the aluminum tubing with some sand cloth,, mix up some J/B weld and fill plug the leak with that.... do it in 2-3 layers smoothing it out as much as possible...let it set for a day... cut a small piece of heater hose for a patch...put it over the J/B welded hole...put a hose clamp on it and call it a day..

We repair tons of aluminum evaporators in grocery stores that get holes in them exactly the same way....and it works perfect. Believe me,,,we have tried every magic solder under the sun to make aluminum coil repairs...most of them fail miserably.......
 
or just buy the correct fwd A/C lines from a vehicle that didn't have rear A/C and swap them in.....farely cheap and plenty out there in the junk yards!

LMC Truck sells them new also......and if I'm not mistaken, which I might be, they both use the same pump and fwd A/C stuff anyways so swapping in the correct lines up front is it! Remove the rest.......
 
100% wrong. You can silver solderaluminum ac hoses. I've done it myself not 6 months ago in iraq. My AC tool kit comes with several bundles of the appropriate silver solder and a small oxy/actlyene torch kit to solder with.
 
then it's not the 15% /silfoss or 45% silver we use in the refrigeration field....

you have to heat copper tubing cherry red before it will even think of flowing these solders.....aluminum would melt at these temps..
 
I've repaired them, but I am not sure what solder I was even using....

Martin
 
100% wrong. You can silver solderaluminum ac hoses. I've done it myself not 6 months ago in iraq. My AC tool kit comes with several bundles of the appropriate silver solder and a small oxy/actlyene torch kit to solder with.
Joe, silver solder will not solder aluminum, wrong melting points. However, you have done it, so fact always trumps theory.
I suspect a semantics problem.

I have used a lot of silver solder, as well as phoscopper, which could be called silver solder but never is.
None of the ones I have used would solder aluminum.

But, several years ago someone came out with a line of solders just for aluminum. I used some, and they work, but its tricky.
Aluminum does not change color when its about to melt, so its easy to get it too hot.

I suspect what you used was something like this.

http://durafix.com/

I have used some of it, and it seems pretty good.
 
Joe, silver solder will not solder aluminum, wrong melting points. However, you have done it, so fact always trumps theory.
I suspect a semantics problem.

I have used a lot of silver solder, as well as phoscopper, which could be called silver solder but never is.
None of the ones I have used would solder aluminum.

But, several years ago someone came out with a line of solders just for aluminum. I used some, and they work, but its tricky.
Aluminum does not change color when its about to melt, so its easy to get it too hot.

I suspect what you used was something like this.

http://durafix.com/

I have used some of it, and it seems pretty good.

It was ugly as **** and not easy to do, but it did work. That particular piece of equipment was mission critical at the time...it was going out on a convoy the next morning. I had nothing but a bunch of silver solder and a small oxy/acetylene torch and was told to make it work. It used a fairly rare refrigerant too- R407C. Very high working pressure. My hacked up solder job was good enough to stand up to it.
 
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