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A Chevy V8 to a Six......

Hey guys I never had a chance to put this in a thread or anything but this is a great new invention I heard from a dude at my work.

It is a hydrogen fuel cell, that you put between the fuel tank, and your carb, or whatever else you are running, and it pumps little droplets of hydrogen into your fuel line.

It come in three sizes so far, 2.0L, 4.0L, and a 6.0L size. So a chevy 350 is covered.

They have been selling them for a while now. Mostly to companies with fleet trucks, and contrustion companies.

They have a stainless steel casing, but this is the best part... You gain horse pwoer, your fuel burns cleaner, and you gain a claimed 37% increase in fuel economy.

I will try and find the website. I will repost when I find it.
 
Clod_King said:
Hey guys I never had a chance to put this in a thread or anything but this is a great new invention I heard from a dude at my work.

It is a hydrogen fuel cell, that you put between the fuel tank, and your carb, or whatever else you are running, and it pumps little droplets of hydrogen into your fuel line.

It come in three sizes so far, 2.0L, 4.0L, and a 6.0L size. So a chevy 350 is covered.

They have been selling them for a while now. Mostly to companies with fleet trucks, and contrustion companies.

They have a stainless steel casing, but this is the best part... You gain horse pwoer, your fuel burns cleaner, and you gain a claimed 37% increase in fuel economy.

I will try and find the website. I will repost when I find it.
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Wow :surepal:
 
6 cyl VS 8 cyl

Being somthing of a 60's chevy truck motorhead I can say for sure the 292 IS NOT the way to go for economy. When the 292 hit the scene it had less HP and got worse mileage then a 283 V8 - but lots of tourque.

The 250 6 cyl in it's 4bbl split manifold (rare btw) did well for both power and economy - if I remember chevy rated them at 175 HP or so.

I have often wondered how a 250 with an aftermarket TBI and OD transmission would do for driveability and economy. Has anyone here ever tried it?
 
I bought the AL-15 unit months ago but sold the rig I had at that time so I am going to hybridize it because it is only for up to a 3 Litre engine which I did not know. They make bigger ones also. Soooo I have a fuel Atomizer 2000 which will work in tandem with it and then I should get some serious increase in mileage. Probably 6-8 hopefully. H.
 
I like the idea of a 4bt cummins in a k5. My only concern is how to keep it from rattling the truck apart.. :haha:
 
Henry G said:
I bought the AL-15 unit months ago but sold the rig I had at that time so I am going to hybridize it because it is only for up to a 3 Litre engine which I did not know. They make bigger ones also. Soooo I have a fuel Atomizer 2000 which will work in tandem with it and then I should get some serious increase in mileage. Probably 6-8 hopefully. H.
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please, let us know when you wake up from that dream. :screwy:
 
rjfguitar said:
Huh?:screwy:
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The 4bt (and the Isuzu 4 cylinder diesels) vibrate quite a bit at idle. At least, the ones I have seen in bread trucks seemed to shake quite a bit...
 
Helped build one truck...

W7NB said:
Being somthing of a 60's chevy truck motorhead I can say for sure the 292 IS NOT the way to go for economy. When the 292 hit the scene it had less HP and got worse mileage then a 283 V8 - but lots of tourque.

The 250 6 cyl in it's 4bbl split manifold (rare btw) did well for both power and economy - if I remember chevy rated them at 175 HP or so.

I have often wondered how a 250 with an aftermarket TBI and OD transmission would do for driveability and economy. Has anyone here ever tried it?
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Never saw a stock GM six with a 4 bbl,other than a Pontiac 250 OHC straight six a friend had in a 69 Lemans--but that thing flew!!--most who rode it that car swore it had a 350 or 400 in it,til they looked under the hood!..those motors didn't seem to last long though..one of the first to use a timing belt too..

I had a freind with a 82 C10,that had a 250 six from an older Nova--he put a higher lift cam in it,and added a 4 bbl intake and header from Clifford Research on it..and he used a 5 speed manual tranny from a 77 Monza in it--not the beefiest tranny GM ever made,but it survived quite well--he didn't try doing brakestands and burnouts with it,but it could if you wanted it too!..

The truck was not as fast as say,one with a 350,but it did suprise a few people at red lights!..he never dyno'd it,so we never knew just how many HP or the torque,but I'd guess it was as strong as a 305..got around 16-18 mpg with it..he expected more,I told him he was mistaken if he thought a 2.5 ton brick would get more mpg than that..now he believes me!..he put a 454 in it eventually,then sold it..

One other guy I know took a 194 six out of a '62 Nova wagon-- he drag raced that car after swapping a 454 in it..he decided it would make a neat powerplant for his 68 C10 pickup..he is a machinist at an engine rebuilding place,and he went right thru the motor,added a cam,header,4 bbl intake,and an aluminum valve cover..the thing ran great,but was gutless under 3000 rpm--after that it screamed like a 2 stroke!..truck had 4.56 gears,so it went pretty good if you wound it up in the gears--had an SM465 in it..I think that truck was faster than the other one with the 250/5 speed!..

I don't know why GM dropped the straight sixes,they should have kept them,and tried using fuel injection on them,like the AMC 4.0's and Ford 300's,before giving up on them..I hear high emissions is what killed them off,that and the fact they outlasted many trucks!..like Mopar's slant six,they were TOO rugged,and they decided cheaper V6 motors would run cleaner...I bet an injected straight GM 6 banger would have been better on fuel and way more powerful than carbed ones were..guess we'll never know..:doah:
 
from a chevy V8 to a six

Here is something you got to check out. Especially us Chevy 6 lovers.:D I found this site last night. It has a long url but check this out. To go where they went for so long with this set up after nothing but trouble from the stock one says a lot about Chevy engineering.:waytogo: Here it is www.turtleexpedition.com/vehicles/turtle1.php Its worth a look see. The diesel is the best way to do what I want but way too expensive. About, I hope you are sitting down. The Cummins Northwest people quoted me this morning $14-15k when finished with a 6BT including the entire drivetrain swap and a little cheaper with the lighter 4BT.:doah: :( Sooooo its back to the Chevy six idea.:D :usaflag: With the diesel set up I would have to change the axles to a much heavier duty one, the newer Dodge Allison Trans/ Transfer Case from 04 on up and etc. If I go with an engine out of a wrecked Dodge Pick up, they are about $5k-$6k usually with the transmissiom but you will need the heavier duty transfer case and again those axles cannot handle the torque. Before you know it ........ broken teeth in the differentials and more $$$$.:frown1: Plus you have to have a fuel system to handle the evaporative qualities of diesel fuel. If your truck is a nice as some out, suck as the one I have, then it is MUCH cheaper than buying a new truck. About a third the cost. But LOTS of work! Well, its was fun thinking about it. Anyhow, have a good one and a Happy New Year! H.
 
One "cheap" way out..

If I were looking to swap in a 4BT Cummins,I'd go boneyard hunting,and look for a GM "P" seires van (Potato Chip truck,Wonder Bread,etc) they had some that were equipped (aftermarket re-powered) with the Cummins 4 banger,and either a TH400 or an SM 465 tranny with a bell housing adapter...

I almost bought an entire P30 rolling chassis I found at a local junkyard with ALL the drivetrain intact,for 1000 bucks,it even had brand new rear leaf springs and a dually axle with like new michelin tires ..but someone beat me to it before I got the money up..only thing wrong with it was they cracked the intake while pulling off the aluminum body to scrap it (no biggie really!)..I was a bit peeved I missed out on it--they aren't "rare",but you dont see them that often either..especially for less than 2K...:doah:
 
Very interesting indeed. Until about 8 weeks ago I did not know that the famous slant six had several versions made but mostly for, you guessed it, OVER SEAS! UGHHHH. Anyhow they made a 160 hp version for Austrailia which basically was their standard one. We got a one barrel 145 hp on a 225 and get a load of this. There was a special Hyper Pack with high compression for their market that put out 304 hp! A few motor heads did some rework on them and got about 430 hp and used them in drag races over there. Blew off a lot of the foregn ones which no doubt hurt some feelings. Yeah! Chrysler also made a turbo diesel version which did very well but was not sold here to my knowledge and even a fuel injected one too! Had lots of power. Just type in slant six and you'll find what I said. Lets face it........... Most large trucks whith the exception of the Cat V8s, use large inline 6 cylinder engines which are now cranking out instead of 300-400 hp are up to 700 hp and a bazillion foot pounds of torque. Its a proven design since the teens. With a race balance and some good but not over done headwork and 3" exhaust with a 4bbl or after market TBI and you got a winner of a combo. Sure Most V designs are faster revving but the torque is on the inline side and properly taken care off they last and last like the Everready bunny. They just keep going and going. The manufacturers probably dropped them because they last too long and can get awesome mileage if they want them too. Most people don't know this but it was on the news about 6 weeks ago that the gov't controls how much mileage a vehicle can get from the assembly line. Not private engineering. GM and others want them to remove the limit so they can get the emissions they want for 2008 and up. GM said the only way to do that is to increase mileage. So we shall see what happens but I'm not holding my breath. Please don't send me any email on this as it was on the news and I'm just quoting what was said. It definately made me mad to hear it. Anyhow, chow time. H.
 
A Chevy V8 to a six

Just a quick note and a compliment to this site. Though I am new to this site I really appreciate the answers I recieved from you all.:) A few other sites I read but don't belong to seem more sarcastic, rude and even insulting. I'm semi retired and went to school to learn mechanics back in 66'. Used to help my Dad even before that. Way before computers came into being, before lap tops and desk tops. They had a 1bbl, 2bbl or a 4bbl carb. That was it with the exception of mechanical fuel injection which were rare. I have read some really good suggestions and ideas that make sense here at CK5. My kind of folks. Keep up the good work and suggestions. Some may be a bit bazarre but still worth thinking about. Who knows, maybe one of you might come up with an invention that will make trucks like ours:truck: or cars get really high mileage with good performance without having to drive a cracker box to get it. Keep driving the C/Ks.:waytogo: CK5 RULES!!!:usaflag: H.
 
Henry G said:
I bought the AL-15 unit months ago but sold the rig I had at that time so I am going to hybridize it because it is only for up to a 3 Litre engine which I did not know. They make bigger ones also. Soooo I have a fuel Atomizer 2000 which will work in tandem with it and then I should get some serious increase in mileage. Probably 6-8 hopefully. H.
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Ahahahaha thanks for the laugh:rolleyes::crazy:
 
GM does make an inline 5 engine still. My grandfather has one in his Old's Bravada, and if I didn't know any better, I'd have guessed it had a small block in it. That thing produces gobs of torque...
 
Heres a qoute frof that site

"The Hydrogen - Oxygen mixture extracted by the OXY-HYDROGEN unit from distilled water adds extra hydrogen to the fuel mixture (as you know, hydrogen burns easily and powerfully) while the oxygen increases the octane value of your fuel.

So what you get is an energy-filled burner (hydrogen) and a higher octane fuel for FREE !!"


:haha: :haha: :haha:
 
diesel4me said:
Never saw a stock GM six with a 4 bbl,other than a Pontiac 250 OHC straight six a friend had in a 69 Lemans--but that thing flew!!--most who rode it that car swore it had a 350 or 400 in it,til they looked under the hood!..those motors didn't seem to last long though..one of the first to use a timing belt too..

I had a freind with a 82 C10,that had a 250 six from an older Nova--he put a higher lift cam in it,and added a 4 bbl intake and header from Clifford Research on it..and he used a 5 speed manual tranny from a 77 Monza in it--not the beefiest tranny GM ever made,but it survived quite well--he didn't try doing brakestands and burnouts with it,but it could if you wanted it too!..

The truck was not as fast as say,one with a 350,but it did suprise a few people at red lights!..he never dyno'd it,so we never knew just how many HP or the torque,but I'd guess it was as strong as a 305..got around 16-18 mpg with it..he expected more,I told him he was mistaken if he thought a 2.5 ton brick would get more mpg than that..now he believes me!..he put a 454 in it eventually,then sold it..

One other guy I know took a 194 six out of a '62 Nova wagon-- he drag raced that car after swapping a 454 in it..he decided it would make a neat powerplant for his 68 C10 pickup..he is a machinist at an engine rebuilding place,and he went right thru the motor,added a cam,header,4 bbl intake,and an aluminum valve cover..the thing ran great,but was gutless under 3000 rpm--after that it screamed like a 2 stroke!..truck had 4.56 gears,so it went pretty good if you wound it up in the gears--had an SM465 in it..I think that truck was faster than the other one with the 250/5 speed!..

I don't know why GM dropped the straight sixes,they should have kept them,and tried using fuel injection on them,like the AMC 4.0's and Ford 300's,before giving up on them..I hear high emissions is what killed them off,that and the fact they outlasted many trucks!..like Mopar's slant six,they were TOO rugged,and they decided cheaper V6 motors would run cleaner...I bet an injected straight GM 6 banger would have been better on fuel and way more powerful than carbed ones were..guess we'll never know..:doah:
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The only stock versions of the 250 that had a 4bbl intake that I know of were marine, although I suppose they may have had a perfomance version for the Nova or Camero. I ran a 4bbl intake manifold in my 65 with a 550 cfm and it did very well running into a TH350 with 3.08 gears.

I understand the old 6's went away due to emissions issues, although I can't see why they would have been any more difficult to smog them the Jeep 4 liter series or any other 6 cyl for that matter. Then again I'm an eletrical engineering type so it's not my domain.

I often thought about setting it up with some form of aftermarket TBI setup - I think one could have done so just as easily with a 2bbl intake. The motor twisted the rear main and went away fo a SB so I never got the chance to try.
 
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