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Stomis

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I know I know lol. I have the 12,000 lb winch going back on the truck tomorrow. Trucks got a ****ty advanced auto side terminal battery in it right now and its not big enough for the winch.

I had a red top in it. It went dead once and bit the dust. I then replaced it like 4 times and its still junk. I really dont want to fork out for a gel battery and honestly dont see the need for it personally.

Ryoken suggests the Interstate 27 batteries for a good wet brand but I'd like to try to find something maintenance free with side and top terminals. Any suggestions?
 
I still like the Odyssey. I've got the 65-PC1750, but I think the
34/78-PC1500 will do what you need if it will fit.

http://www.odysseyfactory.com/batteries.html
http://www.odysseyfactory.com/autospecs.html


Definitely not trying to drop money like that on a battery :eek1:

I'm sure they are good but the more I think about it the more I really dont need an AGM battery. My truck is never gonna be upside down (knock on wood) and I dont need to mount it any weird way.

I was at walmart. They had deep cycle 115 RC marine batteries for $75 with an 18 month warranty. How is Ever Last?


O and do deep cycle batteries need to be topped off with distilled water like when in a boat since they receive constant charge in a truck?
 
battery is half the system.

how big of a alt do you have ?

might need to upgrade to keep things flowin fast and smooth. my 200amp upgrade alt puts out 125amp at 800rpm. :eek1:and at full tilt 210 amp. dyno sheet with alt showed this to me. put it in my plow truck and not 1 problem since with power needs. :woot:

and i like interstate mt-78-dt if i recall correctly. its the biggest at 1000ca and like 850 or 900cca and has side and top post all in one. i run truck side stuff on side post and all extras on top post for pleanty of places to hook to.

deep cycle fine in vehicles . plow truck guys have done it for years.

and ALL batterys req distilled water as = no minerals to plug up the plates from of electrons .
 
A true, old style, deep cycle will not survive cranking a truck or using a winch.
They were designed for deep discharges over a period of time at relatively low current draw.

Heavy current draws would destroy them.

BUT, the names and lines have gotten so blurred these days, who knows? Even so, I would be leery of a battery that only says deep cycle.

One that says deep cycle/cranking is safer.

And, if you are going to drive that truck anywhere except the highway, do yourself a favor and get some kind of "dry" battery. Either AGM, Gel, or some other kind of sealed.

I once spun my truck upside down on a winch cable as you may remember, but only once.
That was my old truck.
My "new" one has never been upside down. Even so, I have the AGM in it, and will never go back to any kind of wet battery again.

I drive it hard sometimes chasing deer, and I would have to replace the battery mount every couple of years.
Since the AGM, the mount is clean with no signs of rust.

Pounding up and down dirt roads and hitting potholes, there was enough "spray" from the wet cells to eat up the mount.

No problem with the AGM.
Does Interstate make a sealed one?
 
A true, old style, deep cycle will not survive cranking a truck or using a winch.
They were designed for deep discharges over a period of time at relatively low current draw.

Heavy current draws would destroy them.


I drove for a towing company out in Phoenix for awhile that used them in the trucks, the truck i drove was a lighter duty flatbed, the mid 90's HD style cab with a 6.5 Diesel i think, flatbed, winch running alot, overhead lights throughout the day. One day the alternator died, i saw it through the gauge, called up the boss on the radio, he told me to keep an eye on the voltage, did two more calls before i took it in, he replaced the alternator and put the batteries on a slow charge the rest of the day...

so i dunno, they seemed to work just fine in that pretty heavily used situation. :dunno: :pimp:
 
Unless theres an affordable, decent AGM or Gel battery I'll be going back to wet. I just cant justify forking out $180+ on a battery.

I'll look into that dual terminal Interstate. Who stocks interstate anyway?
 
I drove for a towing company out in Phoenix for awhile that used them in the trucks, the truck i drove was a lighter duty flatbed, the mid 90's HD style cab with a 6.5 Diesel i think, flatbed, winch running alot, overhead lights throughout the day. One day the alternator died, i saw it through the gauge, called up the boss on the radio, he told me to keep an eye on the voltage, did two more calls before i took it in, he replaced the alternator and put the batteries on a slow charge the rest of the day...

so i dunno, they seemed to work just fine in that pretty heavily used situation. :dunno: :pimp:
I don't doubt it. Remember though, I go a lot farther back then a lot of you.
I can easily remember when there was no such thing as a deep cycle battery.
And really no need for one.

There was no such thing as a trolling motor. Everybody sculled their boats.

Every boat you saw had a sculling lock or notch on the stern. I would hate to think how many miles I have sculled a boat while fly fishing or casting.

The first trolling motor I ever saw was an aluminum gadget that fit on the transom.
It had a handle like an outboard that you steered with, but you powered it by moving the handle up and down.

That drove a propeller on both strokes.

When electric trolling motors first came out, everybody that bought one, bought the strongest car or truck battery they could buy to power it.

Generally speaking, if they used the motors hard during the summer, the batteries would be ruined by the end of the season.

Then you started seeing ads for Trolling Motor Batteries. Also called Deep Cycle batteries.

They would have ratings of 1000 amp-hours or more.
In trolling motor use, they would last 4 or 5 years. But, lots of people figured that if they were so good for that, they would be great for cars and trucks.

Like I mentioned before somewhere here, I had a friend who burned up 3 on his diesel tractor in a week.

I had a pro grade set of jumper cables in my truck, and I stayed busy jumping off folks I knew for almost a year or so.
And most of them were deep cycle batteries.

I went to my battery place to get some connectors, and saw a pile of deep cycles laying in the main door.

I mentioned I was thinking about getting one for my truck when my present battery wore out.

They informed me that they would not sell me one. That they were not designed to supply high current, and those were some that folks had bought elsewhere and traded in.

They showed me a couple that had melted connectors inside due to high current draw.

The next thing I started seeing was deep cycle/cranking batteries that were dual purpose.

In my old truck, I had the dual battery system I put in. My cranking battery was a high current high capacity battery, and my accessory battery was actually a deep cycle that was rated for light cranking.
I had a built in self jump-off system that tied the two batteries together if the accessory battery got so low that it would not fire the starter solenoid.

Everything changes, so I suspect that today's deep cycles will stand up to starters just fine.
But, being the suspicious type, I would want to see some current rating specs before I bought one to run a winch.
 
there is really no purpose in a cranking battery... as long as the battery in question has enough CCA to cover the load, it all boils down to reserve capacity.. why do all giant marine dizzles that draw ungodly amounts of amps use deep cycle to start?

"cranking" batteries are just a way the battery companies saved money with lead amounts... plate "design" has been on a budget path for a LONG time.. I'll lose 100 CCA and gain hundreds of hrs of RC any day....

optima jim may stop in to argue this, it's just my observations and opinions after many yrs of HEAVY battery maintenance ... my diatribes are well known around here...

Vinnie I'll check to see if i have a 27 on the shelf in the morn and get back to ya... our battery delivery/schedule/stock gets a little goofy in the offseason...
 
it is a VERY common brand... same with Lee... Deka's pretty big too iirc... iirc, #27 megatron's are like $106.....
 
Should I really be worried about using a wet battery over a AGM or Gel? The price seems ridiculous...

Well you need to determine that:
Is your wet dying too quick from vibration or drying up?
is it spilling?
If you think the total in wet batteries in 6 years is equaling the price of a AGM then if you can swing the price once do it.
If you feel you can have a wet for 3 years for less than half of the AGM and have a new one every 3 years then do that.
That's what I do.
When I did some crazy **** with my K5 and Waggy I had a red top Optima.
Now I don't so I am back to Costco batteries, they have a great warranty.
 
Well you need to determine that:
Is your wet dying too quick from vibration or drying up?
is it spilling?
If you think the total in wet batteries in 6 years is equaling the price of a AGM then if you can swing the price once do it.
If you feel you can have a wet for 3 years for less than half of the AGM and have a new one every 3 years then do that.
That's what I do.
When I did some crazy **** with my K5 and Waggy I had a red top Optima.
Now I don't so I am back to Costco batteries, they have a great warranty.


Idk honestly I had a wet battery, wheel with it for a little and never saw an issue. I then replaced it with a redtop cause I got it for free. Problems ensued lol. Sure didnt spill though.... :doah:
 
Idk honestly I had a wet battery, wheel with it for a little and never saw an issue. I then replaced it with a redtop cause I got it for free. Problems ensued lol. Sure didnt spill though.... :doah:

Well then go with Costco batteries, they are 48 month warranty IIRC. and not more than a walmart battery
 
Hi Stomis, if you replaced any battery four times, I would suggest taking a good look at your electrical system before you buy any battery. Sweetk30 is absolutely correct about the alternator being an important consideration, but I would add wiring to that as well, as batteries and alternators are only as good as the wires that connect them and the grounds running off of them. One-wire alternators are especially sensitive to good, quality grounds. Since you are running a 12,000-lb. winch, once you have your alternator and wiring squared away, you should consider a battery that meets or exceeds your engine's specs for cranking amps and is designed to be used in deep-cycle applications. RedTops are not designed or warrantied for deep-cycle applications, including winching.


Jim McIlvaine
eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc.
www.facebook.com/optimabatteries
 
Hi Stomis, if you replaced any battery four times, I would suggest taking a good look at your electrical system before you buy any battery. Sweetk30 is absolutely correct about the alternator being an important consideration, but I would add wiring to that as well, as batteries and alternators are only as good as the wires that connect them and the grounds running off of them. One-wire alternators are especially sensitive to good, quality grounds. Since you are running a 12,000-lb. winch, once you have your alternator and wiring squared away, you should consider a battery that meets or exceeds your engine's specs for cranking amps and is designed to be used in deep-cycle applications. RedTops are not designed or warrantied for deep-cycle applications, including winching.


Jim McIlvaine
eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc.
www.facebook.com/optimabatteries


The odd thing is when I first got one it was a production date prior to the "break off date" around 06-07 when people started reporting issues with your batteries frequently. The battery was great, never died from winching, in fact I dont think I had the winch then.

I had a wiring mishap causing a bad short. Drained the battery down like 3 or 4 times and it **** the bed. Not your guys fault at all. Local store warrantied it with a new production battery and they then proceeded to **** the bed on my 2 or 3 times for no apparent reason.

:dunno:
 
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