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Anyone seen this gas mileage idea???????

ccj8008 said:
They have got this same thread going over at the pirate4x4 board. After much skepticism, the general consensus is that it works. All I can say is give it a shot. I am overseas right now, but I am gonna try it when I get back. Let's see some more numbers posted.
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Similar thread on fordtruckenthusiasts.com. and general consensus is also that it works.
 
tiger9297 said:
Similar thread on fordtruckenthusiasts.com. and general consensus is also that it works.
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It works because it is a fuel injection cleaner? If it "really" did work why doesn't anyone have a 20mpg increase?
 
It seems to help mine. I drove up to Murphy and checked it then.........11.1 mpg using 18 gallons to go 200 miles on the GPS, and it's up and down mountain driving. Haven't anything to compare it to though, as that was the trucks first trip there and back via I-40. I forgot to reset the GPS before refueling and leaving for the return trip, but it got a little better as I stopped in Bryson City, Cherokee and Asheville on the way home and still had a half tank registering. Was just under half on the trip up.

Need to do the dyno test really to get concrete figures.
 
So is the point now to this thread is that people never put a fuel injection/carb cleaning additive in their gas tank and now see an improvement in mileage?
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FYI.... I regularly use FI cleaner. I usually use Lucas FI cleaner. It works good. Also my Injectors are fairly new and flow matched.
My MPG improvement is on a clean inside and out, well tuned engine in very good mechanical condition. I also have a K&N filter: :eek1: (please no therad hijack K&N has been throughly covered before :haha: )
 
Fierospeeder said:
It works because it is a fuel injection cleaner? If it "really" did work why doesn't anyone have a 20mpg increase?
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Well, the article claims up to 30% if I remember correctly, so it would be more realistic to expect less than that number. If someone was getting 10mpg and then got a 10mpg increase to 20mpg that would be a 100% increase. A 20mpg increase is a tad on the absurd side. If you go from 10 to 13 then there is your 30%. It is safe to say that from the beginning there have a been a small number of people that said "it won't work" and have argued against it since. They haven't tried it, they won't try it, and even if they did and it worked they wouldn't admit it. I don't understand such animosity against an idea that could save you money. It must be a "pride" thing b/c I just don't see the reason for the antagonism.
 
If nothing else, it has been brought to light that it is used in other gas treatments that are sold at the parts store. Therefore I believe it is at least an inexpensive treatment you can do for your engine to clean it out and maybe make it run a little better. I paid 5.99 for 32 oz of Acetone, which at 4 oz per tank is 8 treatments. So I am looking at about .75 cents per treatment, can't buy anything at the parts store for that price :deal:

As far as gas mileage, I still have not finished my first tank using it, but it looks like I will gain a few mpg's over my last tank of gas, which had more freeway driving than my current tank. I will finish my 32 oz can of acetone either way and see how the numbers look at that point.
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tiger9297 said:
Well, the article claims up to 30% if I remember correctly, so it would be more realistic to expect less than that number. If someone was getting 10mpg and then got a 10mpg increase to 20mpg that would be a 100% increase. A 20mpg increase is a tad on the absurd side. If you go from 10 to 13 then there is your 30%. It is safe to say that from the beginning there have a been a small number of people that said "it won't work" and have argued against it since. They haven't tried it, they won't try it, and even if they did and it worked they wouldn't admit it. I don't understand such animosity against an idea that could save you money. It must be a "pride" thing b/c I just don't see the reason for the antagonism.
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someplace in the article the guy mentions he went up to 20mpg.

True, fuel injection cleaners increase fuel mileage. But now i need someone with a chemical engineering degree who says this works other then a fuel injection cleaner to explain why acetone would increase fuel mileage.


How many people on here bought duralube then put sand in their motor?
 
Fierospeeder said:
But now i need someone with a chemical engineering degree who says this works other then a fuel injection cleaner to explain why acetone would increase fuel mileage.
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I'd like to see this as well... so I can bounce it off my dad. He has always looked down on chemical engineers. lol! anyway, I already posted his comments. The page recommending this has multiple factual errors and I don't see any evidence (the kind you mention, real chemistry) that it should improve MPG beyond cleaning the fuel system.

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At $2.40 per gallon

15,000 miles a year averaging 10 mpg costs = $3600

15,000 miles a year averaging 14 mpg costs = $2572

*Difference of 4 mpg = $1028

15,000 miles a year averaging 35 mpg costs = $1029

15,000 miles a year averaging 39 mpg costs = $924

*Difference of 4 mpg = $105

God created acetone for giant suvs :usaflag: :burb: :usaflag:
 
dirtwarrior17 said:
Who has run this stuff for a long time? Any problems or complaints?

I think its still up in the air... rene said he saw no mpg improvement and so did a few others but there are just as many saying they say better mpg.

I agree with dyeager35 and smalltruckbigcid... its driving habits. thats the only way to explain the different results.







IMO there is no way oil companies could stop that kind of stuff from getting out... people would find ways to get around the patent and make knock offs that have the same effect on mpg not to mention that if they kept the patent instead of selling it to oil companies they would make 100x more if they signed a deal with a manufacture to get say 10% of earnings on every peice sold.

what were all these things called and what did they do?
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I agree, the 100mph carburators are full of crap! With the very advanced fuel delivery systems today running perfect A/F ratios, how could a venturi driven carburater out perform intelligent injection? It could happen if the carb ran a super lean mixture with magical air.
 
rpellicer said:
Here is a reply I got from Berryman's.
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yes, it is a fuel system cleaner
yes, it is an oxygenator, therefore, of course it will burn hotter. Engine running lean will always burn hotter.
it increases fuel mileage. Is it because it helps clean the fuel system? Or is it because it is an "oxygenator" and it leans the fuel system just like ethanol? It helps pass emissions. Could be because it cleans the carbon from the combustion chamber? It helps fuel evaporize. Fuel has a no problem evaporating. Compression temperatures are pretty high and that isn't even refering to combustion temperatures.

Duralube, the tornado, the magnet on the fuel line all say the same about their products.

Burning acetone isn't environmentally friendly.
 
tiger9297 said:
Well, the article claims up to 30% if I remember correctly, so it would be more realistic to expect less than that number. If someone was getting 10mpg and then got a 10mpg increase to 20mpg that would be a 100% increase. A 20mpg increase is a tad on the absurd side. If you go from 10 to 13 then there is your 30%. It is safe to say that from the beginning there have a been a small number of people that said "it won't work" and have argued against it since. They haven't tried it, they won't try it, and even if they did and it worked they wouldn't admit it. I don't understand such animosity against an idea that could save you money. It must be a "pride" thing b/c I just don't see the reason for the antagonism.
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idiot that has the website said:
Using the ScanGauge at 50MPH, my best mileage was 48-52 in my Neon a few weeks ago. Then I stopped the acetone to do some reverse testing. The next four tanks of the same Texaco gas showed 42-43, 37-38, 33-34, 30-31. No acetone when each tank was filled at half-full. The drop was about 20 MPG overall. Recent tests at a steady 50 MPH show 61-63 MPG in the Neon.
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so he dropped 20mpg, which means he gained 20mpg using acetone.... according to him.

How accurate is a gas gauge at estimating half full :rolleyes:


heres a good government site that tested several devices
http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/cars/gas-save/t_gas.htm#devices
 
More information!

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The following is taken from the link!

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Acura
Chevrolet
  • Acetone in a Blazer - Initial findings by "burntkat": modest mileage improvement, exhaust odor gone, better idle.
  • 1994 Chevy Suburban - report that 3.5 oz per 10 gallons led to 20%+ DROP in fuel economy. One test only. Could have been measurement error.
Chrysler
Dodge
Ford
  • Sentzmastersmith's Acetone Report - Initial findings from adding 2 oz / 10 gallon ratio: increased power, better idle, better shifting. (March 26, 2005)
    • 25.5% increase in mileage in Ford Ranger 4x4 Extreme with acetone added in ratio of 2 onces per 10 gallons. (March 27, 2005)
    • Ford Ranger 4x4 Extreme: increase by 32% at 2.5 oz/10gal. (April 9)

  • "Hello World"s results - 88 Ford T-bird 302 mileage increases 18%; 2001 Chevy Tahoe increases 6%; using 2.5oz acetone per 10 gal fuel. (March 31, 2005)
Honda
  • 2004 Honda Pilot - AWD 3.5 v-6. Preliminary report from just miles since adding acetone; reports mileage going from 20 to 25 mpg with mixture of 3 oz per 10 gallons of fuel; significant increase in horsepower.
  • Honda Accord Wagon 1996 - Bill reports 22% increase in mileage with 3.5 oz acetone per 10 gallons; smoother performance
Isuzu
Lincoln
  • 90 Town Home up 5% - "3oz/10 gal in 90 town car over same 60 mile route 10 times /week gave a 5% increase in fuel economy." (submitted March 26, 2005)
Mercedes
Mercury
Nissan
  • 1996 Sentra - Increased mileage , better performance, at 3 oz / 10 gal.
Pontiac
  • Sentzmastersmith's Acetone Report - Initial findings from adding 2 oz / 10 gallon ratio: increased power, better idle, better shifting. (March 26, 2005)
    • Pontiac 95 Bonneville: mixed extents of increased mileage; better at 2.5 oz than 2 oz/10gal. (April 9, 2005)

Toyota
  • Increases Mileage in Toyota Prius - "Pretty hard to believe that only 2-3 oz. of Acetone could have such a dramatic effect, but my mileage on my Prius went from 43 mpg to over 54 mpg, on the same tank of gas!" (J.; March 21, 2005)
    • "Still getting about 15-20% improvement in my Prius Mileage w/Acetone" (J; April 6, 2005)

 
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Indeed... the guy said he lost mileage on his Neon... he said nothing of testing the stuff in a rig like ours... Your point is moot though... when one "fills" his tank when one is "half full", one would write down the gallons of fuel added, and the mileage run since the last fillup... giving a very accurate representation of overall fuel mileage. If I filled my tank every time it got to "half full", I would still have all the same data as I did if I were to run the thing out of gas each time before filling it up.

The EPA estimate of a Neon is something like 30-33mpg on the highway... I don't know the exact number, but if he is getting 61mpg or even 52mpg in that same 33mpg EPA rated Neon, more power to him. The guy has done his homework... maybe it's time for the unbelievers to do theirs...

I have an idea... your dad seems like a smart guy... I'm sure he has access to all sorts of nifty toys in his job. Have him pick up a 4 cycle motor or even a small block, put it on a stand, and attach a 10 gallon fuel cell. Run the engine on pure fuel until it runs out of gas... leave it at idle the entire time... record the amount of time the engine runs on that single tank... do the test at least 3 times to get an average, then run at least 3 tanks of an acetone mixed tank in the same engine and record the results... post them here, and we can see for sure. Scientific study is the only thing that can discount this idea, since many people say it works from experience, and those who say it doesn't just haven't tried it yet or say it doesn't work because of the chemical properties that SHOULD be there and SHOULDN'T be there...

If your dad's testing shows that there is no improvement in "mileage", then I will stop using acetone in my tank... until then, I'm enjoying my 15mpg in a truck that never got more than 10-12mpg.
 
PhoenixZorn said:
Indeed... the guy said he lost mileage on his Neon... he said nothing of testing the stuff in a rig like ours... Your point is moot though... when one "fills" his tank when one is "half full", one would write down the gallons of fuel added, and the mileage run since the last fillup... giving a very accurate representation of overall fuel mileage. If I filled my tank every time it got to "half full", I would still have all the same data as I did if I were to run the thing out of gas each time before filling it up.
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and how do you know the gas tank is half full? Do you go by the very inaccurate fuel gauge? Or even the fact when your tank is full? You fill the gas tank right to the top but then excessive fuel gets sucked into the charcoal canister?

exactly, if his dad, or anyone on this board runs the test on an engine dyno, or a chassis dyno can give real results.
 
fiero, if I fill up at the same station, same pump every time I go get gas, I know that it will stop filling my tank at the same time each time I do it... therefore, it doesn't matter if it's full or not, only that it stopped at the same time it did last time I filled it there. It's like filling a glass with water while you stand on a 30 degree incline... if you hold the glass perpendicular to your body, it will spill earlier than if you hold it perpendicular to say, the core of the earth (level)... same with gas... if I fill up on a flat surface, I know that the pump will stop when the gas reaches the nozzle in the tank... I top it off to the next round dollar amount, and make my calculations... the few cents I have to go to get to 40.00 or 40.50 won't make any sort of huge difference in my mileage calculations...
 
i can cause the pump to stop before the gas even fills the tank up. And this is a huge problem with motorcycles.

The better way to measure fuel is to block the charcoal cansiter. Then fill it up till gas starts over flowing.


Your glass idea has a flaw. You can see how much you are filling. You cant with a gas tank and with the pumps automatic shut off. Buy an old vw beetle where you can actually view the gas tank. Then you can actually verify the fuel level.
 
No offence but the math will not lie.
The amount of fuel use to milage run determins milage.
A small amount of difference topping up the tank will have little effect on long term results.
Just my *.02
 
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