spearchucker
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Who's they? If you mean the refineries then the answer is no. Why would you make a gas that gives better mileage and has the consumer buy less of it?dirtwarrior17 said:
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Anyone seen this gas mileage idea???????
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dirtwarrior17
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because there would be a huge number of people buying that type of gas.
tiger9297
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Comparing adding 3oz./ gal. of Acetone to your gas and running a tank of Aviation fuel is not the same thing in any way. Aviation fuel is 100 octane. That is why is burns "hotter". I doubt a very small, diluted addition of acetone will increase octane by this much.
How do we know this? This may maybe like the one of those things that give off whoknows what harmful in the exaust.
Not that i am agianst this because i might try but what testing has been done on exaust emissions? If not supose to breath or get it on you what about when it is burnt into the air? Remember your kids and others will be living here for awhile.
BigBurban350
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If it were that easy I am sure it would have been implemented into the market and not over some internet study .com site. Plus the Big Three have fuel mileage peneltys and they even when to 5w20 to help increase gas mileage, they didn't say anything about acetone.
PhoenixZorn
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ronnny said:How do we know this? This may maybe like the one of those things that give off whoknows what harmful in the exaust.
Not that i am agianst this because i might try but what testing has been done on exaust emissions? If not supose to breath or get it on you what about when it is burnt into the air? Remember your kids and others will be living here for awhile.
This is mentioned in the article...
Now, whiile smokeless does not always mean healthy, it does specifically mention that it is a clean burning fuel.
Many of you mentioned why this stuff hasn't been put in our gas for the last 20 years if acetone is so good for mileage... Ask yourself this question...
If you owned a gas station, or refinery that sold gas to the station, would you want your customers to get better mileage out of your 87 octane pump gas by adding a few ounces of acetone per 10 gallons? Or would you rather have them think that by adding Super Premium Unleaded that they are not only cleaning their engine, but gaining mileage too?
If I were the gas station owner, you'd be damn silly if you thought I'd want my customers to save money. Being that probably 70+% of the gas station owners in the US are of Arab decent, and all their profits get sent back to their families over in their country... and on top of it, because of the way the laws in this country are written, they will likely never have to pay taxes on that business (except the actual tax when they buy the gas.) For US Citizen gas station owners... I would challenge you to find one who isn't in the gas business to make a profit, but is rather interested in giving his customers better gas mileage.
You guys are so stuck on this acetone issue that you've failed to realize that we have had the technology in this country for at least a decade or two, to completely get rid of fossil fuel use in this country... We have been able to switch to alternative fuels like solar, wind, and electric power for almost 20 years, and we haven't why?? Because not only is the gas station owner making money, but if every energy source we used was renewable, we wouldn't have to buy it. Guess who loses out then, the government.
This arguementative **** is just plain retarded. You guys say, if its so good, why doesn't anyone tell us in an official report?? I say, if they told us in an official report that we could save 100% of our gas money by converting our vehichles to solar power - which is well capable of running 24+ hours on a single charge and moving along at 80+ mph - how much money would the government, oil refineries, and gas station owners in the country lose out on?? Gas in Wisconsin is up to 2.29 a gallon for 87 octane, and 2.59 for premium... unless you have to because of compression, who the hell, in their right mind would put premium in their tank if you can run it just as well on 87.
You children need to read the article more closely... it specifically says that the fuel companies don't want you to know about this, and if you ask someone in the fuel industry, they will outright tell you it is bad, because suddenly, they are losing money since you won't be back every other day to fill up your 8mpg truck. Now, I'm not advertising or advocating the use of acetone, but if after 50 years of testing with acetone - note the guy said he started his testing in the 50s - no ill effects have been found by the writer or any of his colleagues, who would you believe? Here are your choices...
1. Use the stuff and say you use it... record your mileage on every tank and report it to us as well as to the writer of the article.
2. Don't use it... tell us why you won't, but don't start a pissing match over why it's bad for your engine. It doesn't increase octane more than a tenth of a percent, so that arguement is moot.
3. Don't use it, and don't talk about it at all if you can't keep this civilized, structured and 100% scientific.
Now, I may have not followed my own guidelines, but I'm also one of the guys that is going to test it in his vehicles... I may not run it in my truck for a while until testing on my other cars has been done, since I have a brand new engine, but I assure you if my findings show an improvement in performance, mileage, and any other benefits there may be, you will see me with a little bottle of acetone at the pump every time I fill up the K5. If there are any negative aspects to using it in my other cars, I will post that information here for all to read. But what I will not do, is tell you how bad or good it is to use acetone without trying it myself first.
PhoenixZorn
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BigBurban350 said:
Don't you think the "Big Three" have stock in Oil?? No kidding they aren't going to say anything about acetone, they make money on your fillup too.
spoolnaround
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jekbrown said:gonna have to run this by my dad to see what he thinks. Back when he was at the plant fulltime, he made his own FI-cleaner gas additive... pretty sure it used toluene and some other stuff... I dunno, maybe acetone too. I'll see what he thinks. Always handy having a resident research chemist.
j
Ask him what he thinks about the effects it wil have at the dilution rate specified on such parts as seals gaskets etc. That would be my main concern. I dont think it would have much affect on the piston, rings and other hard parts if the timing isnt changed.
Fierospeeder
Banned
if i have time, ill find the article, where a guy invents a new spark plug. You gain 20hp 
y5mgisi
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3oz to 10 gallons How could that possibly cause any trouble?even if it was 10oz per 10 gallons. that would only be 1 one once per gallon still pretty much nothin. im tryin it
Fierospeeder
Banned
here we go
http://www.robertstanley.biz/firestorm.htm
Didn't GM have a huge problem when fuel injection cleaning chemical and fuel injectors meet?
http://www.robertstanley.biz/firestorm.htm
Didn't GM have a huge problem when fuel injection cleaning chemical and fuel injectors meet?
PhoenixZorn
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Damn... I wish those plugs were available now... I'd love to get 15-18mpg out of a Carburated engine...
straight from "the man"...
"I don't think that I have ever seen such BS in my life.
Acetone is OK in most gasoline engines and I used to
make an additive for my cars when I worked in the lab.
I used a mixture of 50% acetone + 25% each toluene
and methanol. I would add 1 pint of this to a full tank of
gas. This would clean out the fuel system and remove
any condensate that had formed in the tank.
That said, acetone does not have a "special frequency"
nor does it reduce the surface tension of gasoline. Alcohol
added to gas in small amounts is a GOOD thing and millions
of vehicles use gas-o-hol with zero problems. Your Mom
once had a 1976 Plymouth Volare station wagon with the 318
CID V-8 engine that ran super good on gas-o-hol and OK on
regular gas. Got 24 mpg from that car on a trip to Idaho with
3 adults, 2 kids, and all our gear on board. Not too shabby
for a 3600 lb. car with V-8 engine, auto trans, and A/C.
Even if the fuel injector or carb delivers some liquid fuel into
the combustion chamber, that is an area of the engine that is
at least 500-600°F. This is well above the boiling point of any
liquid motor fuel, even diesel, and that heat should vaporize
these tiny liquid droplets almost instantly.
What acetone does do, however, is to provide a more volatile
fuel that can serve the same function as a starting fuel. Since
it is miscible with gasoline, there is never any problem with it
not fully dissolving into the gasoline and forming a separate
layer. Alcohol will do this if used in excess of about 15% or
so. This is why gas-o-hol limits the ethanol added to it to 10%.
Any non-gasoline fuel can have a bad effect upon the plastic
parts inside carbs or fuel delivery systems. Acetone is a
strong solvent but it is different in its polarity than gasoline or
gas-o-hol. If the plastic parts that it contacts can stand up to it,
no problem. If they can't, they will be damaged and perhaps
destroyed by this solvent. This is what happened in the early
days of gas-o-hol use. The plastic parts made to withstand
gasoline could not withstand contact with alcohol. Learning
from this, they switched to a different plastic that is unaffected
by either gasoline or alcohol and all was well. Acetone is
different from both of these, however, so some care is highly
advised before using acetone in an engine. It did not seem to
harm any of the cars I used it in but these were not necessarily
made exactly the same as your vehicles.
Also, acetone is NOT cheap. Expect to pay $5 or so for a quart
of the stuff in most hardware stores.
Bottom line: don't do it. It's just not worth it."
that is all.
j
"I don't think that I have ever seen such BS in my life.
Acetone is OK in most gasoline engines and I used to
make an additive for my cars when I worked in the lab.
I used a mixture of 50% acetone + 25% each toluene
and methanol. I would add 1 pint of this to a full tank of
gas. This would clean out the fuel system and remove
any condensate that had formed in the tank.
That said, acetone does not have a "special frequency"
nor does it reduce the surface tension of gasoline. Alcohol
added to gas in small amounts is a GOOD thing and millions
of vehicles use gas-o-hol with zero problems. Your Mom
once had a 1976 Plymouth Volare station wagon with the 318
CID V-8 engine that ran super good on gas-o-hol and OK on
regular gas. Got 24 mpg from that car on a trip to Idaho with
3 adults, 2 kids, and all our gear on board. Not too shabby
for a 3600 lb. car with V-8 engine, auto trans, and A/C.
Even if the fuel injector or carb delivers some liquid fuel into
the combustion chamber, that is an area of the engine that is
at least 500-600°F. This is well above the boiling point of any
liquid motor fuel, even diesel, and that heat should vaporize
these tiny liquid droplets almost instantly.
What acetone does do, however, is to provide a more volatile
fuel that can serve the same function as a starting fuel. Since
it is miscible with gasoline, there is never any problem with it
not fully dissolving into the gasoline and forming a separate
layer. Alcohol will do this if used in excess of about 15% or
so. This is why gas-o-hol limits the ethanol added to it to 10%.
Any non-gasoline fuel can have a bad effect upon the plastic
parts inside carbs or fuel delivery systems. Acetone is a
strong solvent but it is different in its polarity than gasoline or
gas-o-hol. If the plastic parts that it contacts can stand up to it,
no problem. If they can't, they will be damaged and perhaps
destroyed by this solvent. This is what happened in the early
days of gas-o-hol use. The plastic parts made to withstand
gasoline could not withstand contact with alcohol. Learning
from this, they switched to a different plastic that is unaffected
by either gasoline or alcohol and all was well. Acetone is
different from both of these, however, so some care is highly
advised before using acetone in an engine. It did not seem to
harm any of the cars I used it in but these were not necessarily
made exactly the same as your vehicles.
Also, acetone is NOT cheap. Expect to pay $5 or so for a quart
of the stuff in most hardware stores.
Bottom line: don't do it. It's just not worth it."
that is all.
j
dirtwarrior17
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Thunder
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I dont know about improving gas milage. But when i used to live where there were smog checks. 4 oz of nail polish remover(acetone) in 5 gallons of gas always passed the sniffer. Using Acetone or methanaol was the only way i could ever get my dune buggy to pass because the engine was so radical.
PhoenixZorn
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dirtwarrior... don't get all happy...
jekbrown, who is "the man" in your post?? what qualifications does "the man" have to make those claims?
... you just said, from "the man" and left it at that.... is "the man" a research physicist? How about a chemist?? How is his word easier to believe than the word of the guy who wrote the article?
Anyway... I know that "the man" is your dad... and you don't have to answer those questions... since I already know the answers, but where is his proof for his statement? The guy who wrote the article started his research on it in the 1950s, and thus has been researching a better fuel additive for 50 years. He has other people testing their own vehicles and reporting back to him, all reporting the same thing... improved gas mileage when acetone is used...
Honestly, do you think he would pull a 62mpg figure out of his ass and stick it on a Neon just to see if it would stink? No, he actually did it with the Neon, and his other cars mentioned in the article. Again, no pissing match here... just wondering if you believe anyone who just says no over a guy who has done 50 years of research on the subject...
It's like the spark plug guy... all the manufacturers said they won't produce his plug because they don't want to upgrade their machines... Unless you were actually shown his spark plug in action, you say "what a crock of BS"... 30 hp from a spark plug and 30-50% more fuel efficiency? Which mental hospital did you escape from. But as soon as you see that plug in action, you'll want to help the guy make it, because you know for a fact that it works.
jekbrown, who is "the man" in your post?? what qualifications does "the man" have to make those claims?
... you just said, from "the man" and left it at that.... is "the man" a research physicist? How about a chemist?? How is his word easier to believe than the word of the guy who wrote the article?
Anyway... I know that "the man" is your dad... and you don't have to answer those questions... since I already know the answers, but where is his proof for his statement? The guy who wrote the article started his research on it in the 1950s, and thus has been researching a better fuel additive for 50 years. He has other people testing their own vehicles and reporting back to him, all reporting the same thing... improved gas mileage when acetone is used...
Honestly, do you think he would pull a 62mpg figure out of his ass and stick it on a Neon just to see if it would stink? No, he actually did it with the Neon, and his other cars mentioned in the article. Again, no pissing match here... just wondering if you believe anyone who just says no over a guy who has done 50 years of research on the subject...
It's like the spark plug guy... all the manufacturers said they won't produce his plug because they don't want to upgrade their machines... Unless you were actually shown his spark plug in action, you say "what a crock of BS"... 30 hp from a spark plug and 30-50% more fuel efficiency? Which mental hospital did you escape from. But as soon as you see that plug in action, you'll want to help the guy make it, because you know for a fact that it works.
tiger9297
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Obviously there can be convincing arguements for and against. HOWEVER, seems that the only real arguement against is the risk of damaging plastics in the engine. Noone has made a very strong arguement that adding a small amount of acetone does not increase gas mileage. Additionally, it seems the author has done his homework in proving that acetone will not damage these plastics. Remember finger nail polish remover (acetone) comes in a plastic bottle.
HELLBENT DESIGNS
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not sure on the mileage thing. but i think the arguement on plastics is if they are compatible with acetone? i do casting with polyurethanes and use acetone to clean it off the tools! how about rubber fuel lines, how would they respond?
I tried it in my 1980 toy 4wd 20r with 300,000 plus miles. Still runs great. I was getting about 13 mpg so i started adding the acetone. After my second tank of "mixed" fuel I was getting 17 mpg. We ran this for 6 months and the decided to pull the head. I wanted to run it in my jimmy (8 mpg 355) so I thought I would check the valves in the toy. We took the head to a shop and had it checked. The shop said all the valves where fine. None of my pistons were burned. So I decided to try this in my Jimmy. I am now getting 12 mpg after running this through my 3rd tank in a row. So far I believe it and am happy with the results. And we just started this in my friends 97 dodge ram v6. I will let you guys know but in the two tanks we have done he went from 17 to 19 so that is a start. So we have tried a less than 2000 mile motor up to a 300,000+ motor. Carbed and injected. 4 , 6, and 8 cylinders. But these are just mt results. To each thier own.
tiger9297
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Seventy K5 if my figures are right you gained roughly 30% in the Yota and 50% in the K5. That's pretty impressive. Your "research" has proven more uselful than any so far. 
