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Anyone seen this gas mileage idea???????

they started adding MTBE to our gas in CA to reduce pollution but lots of cars got worse mileage even though emmissions were lower. Also, it had a tendancy to eat away at older rubber fuel lines and seals so they started leaking more often. They've now been removing it because of it pollutes in other ways.
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did that in the metropolitan areas of texas, too until they found out it was a carcinogen. seems like they should have researched it better in the first place. now, we have a 10% mix of ethanol, and it runs better, but my mpg still stinks compared to "real" gas.
 
blazin_blazer said:
you cant find acetone or tolulene here in arkansas and if you do happen to get some, you may get a not so friendly visit from dea:haha:its a shame too, i used to work at a fertilizer plant in an industrial park and beside us was a tar company and they had tolulene for cleaning their test instruments and i would get 4-6 ozs. added(they would come put it in my tank, but would NOT just let me have it)every time i filled up and it did increase my mpg!!....i was driving 2 hrs 1 way to work and everyday i checked my mpg and w/tolulene it was 3-5 mpg higher......being a welder i also know that acetone is added to acytelene tanks to stabilize them!

can u guys still find acetone/tolulene in hardware stores? i see this thread is from 2005 and just wondering if you can still buy the stuff like you could back then? i sure the heck can't!!!

how about this idea...its using battery current to break down water into hydrogen and oxygen and pulling the hydrogen via vaccum into motor saying up to 100% increase.

http://watercargift.com/water4gas/2books.htm?hop=index2html&gclid=CNyxn6vny5ACFQNzHgodmAvnOQ

and

look at all the sites

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=water+for+gas if its true:bow:
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I've bought acetone at Walmart and at Home Depot within the last year or two, it's not hard to find at all.

Also, the breaking down of water takes more energy than what can be harvested by the hydrogen produced. Anything you hear about someone filling up their tank with water and driving around on the hydrogen or brown's gas is a bunch of BS. Sure, cars can run off those gasses, but it's against the laws of physics to produce the stuff on demand while you drive. Breaking it down would take so much electricity, your motor would have to work harder to produce it, and the end product wouldn't be enough to compensate for the extra work your motor did. Now if you produce your hydrogen at home, with say, hydroelectric power, then transfer the gas into your car, you might be on to something. Just depends on what type of energy is cheapest.
 
i filled up today a was getting exactly 20.80 mpg :( thats worst than my usuall 21.48....i dunno im gonna try it on one more tank and if i dont see some inprovement i wont be running it anymore
 
the 1st link i posted doesnt fill tank with water, it uses a quart jar with electrodes of diff kinds of metal connected to switched battery, and this will produce hydrgen around 1 electrode and oxygen around the other and (its a science project from most high school science), but is it enuff to supplement the gas engine by pulling vaccume on the qt. jar...depends on size of engine......the site even says larger engines may need more than 1 "apparatus"
 
x2 on what pvfjr said, it takes more energy to extract H2 from water than the usable energy content of H2. Hydrogen powered vehicles only make sense if the hydrogen is "made" at a stationary site, or extracted from someting else like methanol.
 
blazin_blazer said:
the 1st link i posted doesnt fill tank with water, it uses a quart jar with electrodes of diff kinds of metal connected to switched battery, and this will produce hydrgen around 1 electrode and oxygen around the other and (its a science project from most high school science), but is it enuff to supplement the gas engine by pulling vaccume on the qt. jar...depends on size of engine......the site even says larger engines may need more than 1 "apparatus"
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Yes, it will supplement the motor. But, the energy it drew to charge the water exceeds any energy gained by that supplement. I know it's a simple experiment, we did it in the 5th grade. But, it can't work as an on-vehicle solution. Not unless it runs off a battery that you charge at home, that doesn't hook in with the cars system and rob it of the energy required to produce the hydrogen. That seems a bit complicated though, and a little counterproductive. Scientists have been working toward more efficient ways of hydrogen production, and I eagerly await their developments. I personally belive that hydrogen will have to be the next sustainable source of vehicle power. Petroleum obviously isn't the way. Ethanol is a waste of time. Think of the minute percentage of vehicles currently running on ethanol.....and corn prices have already skyrocketed! There isn't enough corn in the world to run a fraction of the cars we drive in america. I think hydrogen will be the only source that's plentiful enough, replenishable, without harmful emissions and all that. Motors are supposed to run a lot longer too, with as clean as it burns. Someday I suppose there'll be a few more wind farms out there, churning out enough juice to break down all this water, so we can keep driving as much as we've come accustomed to. That's where I'll be putting my money. :deal: Till then, I bide my time.
 
People are now looking into breaking apart molecules by using sound waves. They determine the resonating frequency and vibrate them apart. It is claimed to use a less energy than any current method. I will take the claims with a grain of salt at least until I see it with my own eyes.
 
actually, hydrogen is a pipe dream. It would be nice, but as a replacement for transportation fuels it really isn't realistic. The entire fueling infrastructure of the country would have to be rebuilt for high pressure gas, which is extremely hazardous, and expensive. Pretty much the only positive of hydrogen gas powered cars is that if the tank ruptures, the gas evaporates immediatly into the athmosphere rather than pooling like a liquid fuel. However if a tank ruptures, the explosion and intense cold could do alot of damage in and of themselves. Also, even if we started producing hydrogen as a fuel source, you have to use energy to make it, and something like 95% of the energy used to create hydrogen, comes from coal or petrol fueled plants. I think norway is using renewable sources (IE solar, wind, etc. ) to produce their hydrogen, for the highway from Oslo to.... crap i forget the other city. but America just isnt set up that way.

Something to look into, that im very interested in (im majoring in green technology) is algae diesel. It has tremendous potential, even though its in the early stages and there are obviously problems to sort out. And on top of that, the glycerine produced as a byproduct, could be passed through an APR device (aqueous phase reformer) or a plasma arc gasifier to produce a synthesis gas that can be used in the same manner as natural gas. Two fuels from one source. and totally green. no pun intended.

the future of transportation fuels, IMHO, is going to be hybrid diesel electric vehicles burning some sort of biodiesel renwable fuel. With the electric motor doing the driving, and the diesel engine only running to spin a generator to recharge the batteries from time to time on the go.
 
K5dreamer said:
actually, hydrogen is a pipe dream. It would be nice, but as a replacement for transportation fuels it really isn't realistic. The entire fueling infrastructure of the country would have to be rebuilt for high pressure gas, which is extremely hazardous, and expensive. Pretty much the only positive of hydrogen gas powered cars is that if the tank ruptures, the gas evaporates immediatly into the athmosphere rather than pooling like a liquid fuel. However if a tank ruptures, the explosion and intense cold could do alot of damage in and of themselves. Also, even if we started producing hydrogen as a fuel source, you have to use energy to make it, and something like 95% of the energy used to create hydrogen, comes from coal or petrol fueled plants. I think norway is using renewable sources (IE solar, wind, etc. ) to produce their hydrogen, for the highway from Oslo to.... crap i forget the other city. but America just isnt set up that way.

Something to look into, that im very interested in (im majoring in green technology) is algae diesel. It has tremendous potential, even though its in the early stages and there are obviously problems to sort out. And on top of that, the glycerine produced as a byproduct, could be passed through an APR device (aqueous phase reformer) or a plasma arc gasifier to produce a synthesis gas that can be used in the same manner as natural gas. Two fuels from one source. and totally green. no pun intended.

the future of transportation fuels, IMHO, is going to be hybrid diesel electric vehicles burning some sort of biodiesel renwable fuel. With the electric motor doing the driving, and the diesel engine only running to spin a generator to recharge the batteries from time to time on the go.
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It all depends on where how they crack the molecule. If they crack it just before consumption no extra infrastructure is needed.
Although hydrogen does disipate rapidly it can explode, violently, very easily.
So far diesel hydrids haven't been very popular since the electric doesn't gain much in efficency over the diesel.
Algae fuels look promising but are still young. I haven't heard of the glycerine byproduct, I'll have to look into that.

The only thing I sure of is that we should all see some interesting changes in our lifetime.
 
I just bought a gallon of acetone for some fiberglass projects. You just can't buy it in large amounts very easily.
 
LVJimmy said:
It all depends on where how they crack the molecule. If they crack it just before consumption no extra infrastructure is needed.
Although hydrogen does disipate rapidly it can explode, violently, very easily.
So far diesel hydrids haven't been very popular since the electric doesn't gain much in efficency over the diesel.
Algae fuels look promising but are still young. I haven't heard of the glycerine byproduct, I'll have to look into that.

The only thing I sure of is that we should all see some interesting changes in our lifetime.
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Just figured id point out, the glycerine byproduct is no different than when you make biodiesel from WVO. The oil from the algae needs to be processed, just like WVO, and the process is if not identical, very similar, creating a similar glycerine byproduct. ;)
 
They have a contest in europe to figure out a way of getting rid of glycerine besides incineration. Apparently they have an excess of it since biofuels are becoming so popular.
 
filled up today and was getting 22.90 mpg thats almost 2 miles more per gallon than what i useually get....that running 3 oz of acetone in 15 gallons of 87 octane
 
If you're really gonna try it, you need to average the gas mileage over several fill-ups. The MPG results you get can easily vary by at least 2-3 mpg just between fill-ups due to weather, traffic, and all kinds of other things.
 
bp71k5 said:
If you're really gonna try it, you need to average the gas mileage over several fill-ups. The MPG results you get can easily vary by at least 2-3 mpg just between fill-ups due to weather, traffic, and all kinds of other things.
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well i have to keep records of mileage (for work) at each fillup...i know my truck and it never gets above 21 mpg unless it all highway driving...then i get about 24
 
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