I know exactly what you're talking about, unfortunately my brain is toast right now and I'll have to help you out tomorrow when I can have a look at my ash tray. The spring does go in a rediculously weird way and it doesn't like to stay, but it works... I'm just taking my ash try out since it's about 1/4 of a pound of weight, maybe a half pound if I take out the glove box too. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I'm trying to get under or around 5,000 pounds with 44's, an Iron crash box tranny, a 205 case and 1 ton running gear. Pounds count! If nobody else can explain the spring I'll give it a shot tomorrow. Good luck though. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif