pismorat
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Who's got one? I remember seeing them a while back and it looks like just what I need. Also, did their site dissapear? I can't find a trace of them or that product. Thanks. /forums/images/graemlins/truck.gif
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AzKicking anti-wrap bar
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smokkey1
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pismorat
1/2 ton status
Sweet, thanks a lot. Anybody have more detailed pics of it and comments? /forums/images/graemlins/truck.gif
84_Chevy_K10
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Way, WAY too damn expensive. /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif
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Way, WAY too damn expensive. /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif
I run the proto-type you see in the pic's on their site with really soft 57" F-150 springs on my Jimmy.
It does not inhibit flex in any way shape or form, but it killed my axle wrap dead. About the only thing I might change about it is to use rubber bushings in the rear instead of the Delrin bushings it came with. The Delrin will prolly outlive the truck but they 'feel' a little harsh when I let the clutch up a bit quick...
The quality of workmanship is jaw dropping too.
If you want I can snap some detail pic's for ya. I have a digi-cam now.
Rene
It does not inhibit flex in any way shape or form, but it killed my axle wrap dead. About the only thing I might change about it is to use rubber bushings in the rear instead of the Delrin bushings it came with. The Delrin will prolly outlive the truck but they 'feel' a little harsh when I let the clutch up a bit quick...
The quality of workmanship is jaw dropping too.
If you want I can snap some detail pic's for ya. I have a digi-cam now.
Rene
smprider112
1/2 ton status
I'd like to see some pics of it...I'll prolly build my own tho, but its good for ideas /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
You can start here...
http://www.azkickin.com/antiwrap.htm
If you want any detail pic's let me know.
Rene
http://www.azkickin.com/antiwrap.htm
If you want any detail pic's let me know.
Rene
pismorat
1/2 ton status
Detailed pictures would be sick. It's hard to tell how it mounts/works at the x-member and where it attaches at the rear of the differential (cover??) in those pics. Thanks. /forums/images/graemlins/truck.gif
i'll wipe it off and snap a few pic's after work today...should have some pic's up tomorrow for ya.
rene
rene
were u gonna post those pics? & if not would u
I'll get some pic's later this afternoon and post em up...
Rene
Rene
thanks
Once you take a look at the quality/complexity of machine work and materials you'll understand the cost. And that's without even considering the overhead of R&D that Bill and company invested in creating the design that they get no return on because people always want the cheaper (and less effective) solutions, or they just go out and copy their design.
unick
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Yea please dont post more detailed pics. These guys are sponsers of this web site. It would be pretty messed up to use the site they help fund to copy their product. /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif
Nick
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Yea please dont post more detailed pics. These guys are sponsers of this web site. It would be pretty messed up to use the site they help fund to copy their product. /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif
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You make a valid point. The pictures on their site should be more than enough to get the idea. Russ has seen my anti-wrap bar in person, as well as seeing my truck wheel in Moab...it's a damn fine piece of work and it works extremely well.
Unless Bill or Sean say it's OK I'm not gonna post anything that would help someone copy their product.
Rene
Yea please dont post more detailed pics. These guys are sponsers of this web site. It would be pretty messed up to use the site they help fund to copy their product. /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif
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You make a valid point. The pictures on their site should be more than enough to get the idea. Russ has seen my anti-wrap bar in person, as well as seeing my truck wheel in Moab...it's a damn fine piece of work and it works extremely well.
Unless Bill or Sean say it's OK I'm not gonna post anything that would help someone copy their product.
Rene
that is cool, i don't have a 14 bolt in my rig i run a 70 so it wouldn't excatly work the same way any how. it just looked like a cool design & i wanted to see some better pics. didn't mean to come across as trying to high-jack someone's deisign. yall simmer down now.
Didn't mean to come across like I was mad or anything like that...just that Unick brought up a good point.
I'm sending Bill a pm to get his thinking on 'better' pic's.
Rene
I'm sending Bill a pm to get his thinking on 'better' pic's.
Rene
u didn't come across bad i understand i have had people copy things i have made. it isn't my lively hood, & it still botherd me. i just wanted to looky, we can drop the whole thing if u like. save u some time & then bill will not have to worry about his secrets getting out.
no hard feelings or nothing like that. /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
no hard feelings or nothing like that. /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
four_by_ken
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$850 for an anti wrap bar?
If they spent that much time on R&D that it justifies this kind of cost... they did something wrong. An anti-wrap setup isnt something new.
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$850 for an anti wrap bar?
If they spent that much time on R&D that it justifies this kind of cost... they did something wrong. An anti-wrap setup isnt something new.
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Their's is not just another knock off of the same basic design. It's a very different approach that eliminates pretty much all the bind that is inherent in all the "normal" anti-wrap bars. This design also has a much more involved construction process with actual machine work involved instead of just welding some tube together. A reasonable shop rate for the machine work alone covers most of what they charge. Add in top quality materials like heavy wall high quality DOM tube and the like to cover the rest. That price is not just some number they pulled out of their behinds, it's based on an analysis of what it costs to build them with some profit to make it worth their wile opposed to other potential work.
But I'm wasting time typing this since the vast majority of people will never pay for quality when they can get "doesn't work as well or last as long but is good enough for now" cheaper. "Made in China" anyone?
And I'm guilty of the same thing, I'm cheap AND poor… However, I *can* see the work that goes into a product like that and I would never claim it was over priced simply because it is outside my price range or interest level. People who produce goods are under no obligation to price things at a "comfort level" for every potential person who might be interested in their product regardless of their investment (well, other than in certain Socialist states). It's one thing to say that it costs more than you're willing to pay, but to say they are "doing something wrong" or "over priced" just because they put more work and better materials into doing a good job than you (or even most) are willing to pay for is just wrong. If they are priced above what the market will support, then the product won't sell, and they will be forced to reevaluate. But they are under no obligation to loose money in order to sell some product they developed (unless that makes sense to them - re. loss leaders) nor are they obliged to provide an inferior product just to satisfy the masses.
And since when is an American company refusing to compromise quality to mass market products "doing something wrong"? Well, other than from a business/profit sense which does not apply here.
I for one like the fact we have innovators providing quality and looking for new approaches even if I can't afford it. If the value/performance is there, then maybe one day "economy of scale" and more efficient manufacturing or new applications of "discoveries" will benefit me down the line.
But I'm wasting time typing this since the vast majority of people will never pay for quality when they can get "doesn't work as well or last as long but is good enough for now" cheaper. "Made in China" anyone?
And I'm guilty of the same thing, I'm cheap AND poor… However, I *can* see the work that goes into a product like that and I would never claim it was over priced simply because it is outside my price range or interest level. People who produce goods are under no obligation to price things at a "comfort level" for every potential person who might be interested in their product regardless of their investment (well, other than in certain Socialist states). It's one thing to say that it costs more than you're willing to pay, but to say they are "doing something wrong" or "over priced" just because they put more work and better materials into doing a good job than you (or even most) are willing to pay for is just wrong. If they are priced above what the market will support, then the product won't sell, and they will be forced to reevaluate. But they are under no obligation to loose money in order to sell some product they developed (unless that makes sense to them - re. loss leaders) nor are they obliged to provide an inferior product just to satisfy the masses.
And since when is an American company refusing to compromise quality to mass market products "doing something wrong"? Well, other than from a business/profit sense which does not apply here.
I for one like the fact we have innovators providing quality and looking for new approaches even if I can't afford it. If the value/performance is there, then maybe one day "economy of scale" and more efficient manufacturing or new applications of "discoveries" will benefit me down the line.
