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battery cables using ext. cord?

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I have no idea if it can or should be done but i have some thick ext. cord that is cut up and i wanted to use it for relocating my batterys behind the seat. can it be done? should it be done? i can also get my hands on some thick copper cable if that will work better, about 1/4 thick (dont know the gauge but its about the size of a 1/2 socket OD. any sugestions?
 
I personally wouldnt. just different applications, different types of wire and what they were meant for.

seems like a bad idea to me, since you can get a relocation kit for under $100
 
I'm not electrical engineer, but I'm going to guess that they're two completely different animals.

The intended purpose of a 3-wire extension cord is not the same as a positive (or negative) battery cable, to say nothing of differences in wire gauge and composition.

Would it work? Maybe. Would I do it? Nope.


I'm sure Fordum will chime in here and tell you how to wire your battery with a 10 gauge extension cord and a relay or some diodes, though. :D
 
I'm not electrical engineer, but I'm going to guess that they're two completely different animals.

The intended purpose of a 3-wire extension cord is not the same as a positive (or negative) battery cable, to say nothing of differences in wire gauge and composition.

Would it work? Maybe. Would I do it? Nope.


I'm sure Fordum will chime in here and tell you how to wire your battery with a 10 gauge extension cord and a relay or some diodes, though. :D

Anyone know where I can buy 6 ft battery cable?
 
what about copper wire? isnt that what the auto parts store will sell me anyway?
 
I'm sure Fordum will chime in here and tell you how to wire your battery with a 10 gauge extension cord and a relay or some diodes, though. :D

Actually it would take more than diodes and a relay, but I could do it.....

And using an extension cord is not out of the question.
It depends on the cord.
I once helped run an extension cord to a 3 phase machine that used 4 3/0 cables.
Now that would have made a good battery cable.

But, the key is the copper. The longer the cable, the more copper you got to have.
A short ground cable from the battery to the frame can be as small as 4 gauge and work fine.
I use heaver, but I have see that in factory installs.

How heavy you need to go depends on the length of the wire, not how far the battery is moved.
I had a 14 gauge 50 foot extension cord on a spool that I used for low current setups.
Like moving the receiver and a small TV out to the satellite dish so I could watch while I adjusted it.
One of my friends borrowed it last year at the camp without my knowing it. Next morning they complained about that terrible smell that made them cough all night.

I went in to see what was wrong, and smelled burning insulation instantly. The idiots had plugged in a 1500 watt electric heater into my extension cord. Most of it on the spool had gone from orange to brown.

Their explanation? The heater was only about 2 feet from reaching the outlet, so they figured the extension cord was big enough for that short distance........

So, figure in your cable routing when you work out how far away the battery is.

The insulation is not as important in 12 volt stuff as higher voltages. Most any insulation will keep the electrons in place with no more pressure than that. But, it needs to be rated for the environment.
It is very likely to be exposed to oil, gas, heat, sunlight, vibration, and wear. So it needs to be rated for automotive use.
There is nonautomotive insulation that would work fine if not better than what you get in a parts house, but unless you look up the specs on it, you have no way of knowing.

And, it needs a little extra protection if its going where no battery cable has gone before.
Most battery cables are routed so they do not touch much metal, and are clamped so they don't rub on them when they do.
This cable may run along the frame, through the body, all potential places to wear through, short out, and burn up the truck.
I have advocated running it through PVC pipe or conduit, and have done so when hooking up electric winches on the back end, or a lift gate.

Others here have raised issues with heat melting the PVC, or dirt and water staying in.
All valid points.
You pays your money and you takes your chance.......
Just figure the heaviest copper you think you will need, and consider going up one size.
When the engine is at 70 degrees, its a nice summer day, and the battery has a hot charge that one size extra is not worth the money.
But, when the engine is below zero, the battery is almost dead, and you really need for it to crank, it can be the difference between walking out and driving.
 
I would not do it either. Check your local welding supply shop and get some welder cable, it will work fine for what you want to do.
 
How many small strands make up the big strand?

The more individual strands the better usually.

I have used what was called extension cord before, but the stuff i used was very high quality 4 gauge wire. Passed tech at several races
 
Ive used heavy gauge (think its 2 gauge) wire they sell at lowes to relocated 2 batteries in car trunks. I can remember the name of it but it worked just fine. Only difference between it and automotive / marine cable was it was less flexible.
 
This stuff is all copper and is much thicker than my battery cables. i will grab some from the shop on tuesday and post a pic plus the specs of what it is exactly.
 
I'd just go to my local car parts store and buy a length of battery cable. It can't be more than $10 or $20 and you know it's designed for vehicles.

BTW, you should always fuse any wires coming off the battery, typically within 18" of the battery. If you haven't seen a big 12v cable ground out accidentally, let me tell you ... I don't ever want to see that again. I thought it was going to burn my house down, while I was running for my life.
 
I'd just go to my local car parts store and buy a length of battery cable. It can't be more than $10 or $20 and you know it's designed for vehicles.

BTW, you should always fuse any wires coming off the battery, typically within 18" of the battery. If you haven't seen a big 12v cable ground out accidentally, let me tell you ... I don't ever want to see that again. I thought it was going to burn my house down, while I was running for my life.

Putting a battery in the trunk can require upwards of 20ft of cable at I think $5 and change last time I checked. So that more than $100.
 
When I needed cable for a 1500 lb winch to run my small crane hoist,I went to a junkyard and saw a few dozen electric ride-on forklifts there they bought for scrap,and the battery chargers had long 220V 3 wire cords on them,and the insulation was real thick and flexible--I scored a 25 foot length for 10 bucks,and I just twisted all 3 of the conductors together and soldered them,they were 8 gauge and fine stranded copper................................................................................................I used 4 ford solenoids as a power in-out box for forward & reverse,and it only needed a short ground cable to the frame,so I got one off a truck at the boneyard..I tried looking for an old bucket truck first,they have lots of tick cables,but they had cut them off to scrap already--that 220V cord worked fine for 2+ years on my winch--I used a junction block off another GM truck like mine as the connection point to the battery positive,I also used a fusible link there instead of a curcuit breaker,so it wouldn't burn down the truck if I had a short....I put the cable in flexible conduit for added protection,but it probably was not nessasary,it had thick rubbery insulation on it that was pretty tough on its own....
 
The extension cord you guys are talking about is more than likely S.O. cord, It is common in the electrical industry, there are several types, but for the most part it turns into a gooey mushy mess when it is around oil and hydraulic fluid.
 
the ext cord im thinking of useing is "yellow jacket" double jacketed, water resistant says 60* c and -50* c. says 300v 3x3 (31mm2) 12awg. dont know if that means anything to anyone but thought i would post it. the copper wire i was thinking about running is even thicker and i will get the specs tomorrow. Autozone wants $112.00 for the wire not including the ends
 
12 awg isn't even close to what you need. If your relocating to the truck use a minimum 2ga for a run of the mill small block, 1 or 0 would be best for high compression SBC or a BBC. And if you run to the engine be concerned about temp ratings/oil rated jacket on the cable. I run my welding cables to a remote solenoid away from engine temps and oils.
 
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