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Been wondering something....(winch question)

ok now i know i like you, BO... jump on people at the slightest hint of additude...
i've got a 20hp kohler that needs to be used for some crackpot idea, this might be it.. ive been thinking of using a belt and pulley system to drive a 110v generator, air compressor, trash pump, and i could add a hyd. pump for good measure

the chainsaw winches are cool but the powerplant usually sucks, but when they run they work well but i dont thing it would pull a fullsize out of your driveway much less a good stuck
 
Well I wish I could have made you like me in a better way, but if that works.....Haha!

A 20HP Kohler would work GREAT for ANYTHING. IMO, Kohler makes the best engines. However, it won't pull all that stuff at once. :crazy: HAHA!

Sorry bout that cuz.....
 
20 horse kohler

man put it on an air compressor in you rig not a generator...imagine ankle to knee deep and asking sumone to hand you the end of that extension cord....if ur lookin for sum'n to pull a gm power steering pump try a starter motor coupled to it.a starter motor will run some rpms and handle a pretty good load .i've seen people using their starter on the rocks when they are in their lowest crawl ratio they use the starter for its gear reduction to finese their rig around when thy need to be inching and close to a cone../electric over hydralic sounds feasible. still need good battery system...and far as not knowing if a power steering pump would be strong enuff to work the winch, dude thats what they are made to run off of....so we are back to just going electric...less effiency loss from converting from power source to power source to mechanical movement,..but you sound like you are dead set on tryin it and i say go for it...when i was in school i just couldn't fathom why i couldn't rig up 3 alternators to one starter motor to one battery and it charge and just keep running so my professor let me try it i made a bracket to hold three alternators and a starter motor that i had stripped the nose off of and installed a pulley...put a belt on it wired up all three 1 wire alts hooked battery's to the starter motor and it ran for about 2 hrs...i played around with pulley sizes went smaller to turn alt faster and bigger on starter and it bogged it down so i step down a size or two on my starter and started it....i played with that thing for a semester and half convinced i could make it run, and there for proving something that is stated as impossible...perpetual motion every time you change from one form to the other you lose more effiency and where do you stand?, two steps back from where you began and wondering why...i still don't understand why 3 alternators charging 1 battery running 1 starter motor won't just run forever..well i do but i just wish it would! as alt get to charge battery the harder it is to turn which makes motor pull more juice which cause more load on alt and its just a cycle that you can not stop..only way would to have 100%bearings in alts and 100% eff motor but we are along way from that...and oh yea, 1more thing i have a bsme :doah:
 
I don't have any kind of engineering experience, but even I could have told you that wouldn't work. :doah: The human race will NEVER figure out perpetual motion.
 
blazin_blazer said:
man put it on an air compressor in you rig not a generator...imagine ankle to knee deep and asking sumone to hand you the end of that extension cord....
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ok not quite like that....

i've got a bunch of rotary power equipment and i've been toying with the idea of bolting it all to a metal pallet crate and using a lawnmower style lever belt tension system to selectively power each piece.

this way i can get comp air, electricity, and water pumping ability with only one engine, strap it all to a crate and load/off load it as needed.

i figure if i get it all on the bottom of the crate with the belt drive system accessible from the side, the top should be large enough to hold an air tank, air hose, extention cord, gas tank, suction and discharge hoses.

it still wont be the best for a trail rig but it be ok for working on a con site in BFE with no utilities. but id rather find a diesel instead of gas motor

PS blazin... the little "L" shaped button on the right side of the keyboard is called the return/enter key. It really is your best friend
 
Berry picking..

I see lots of homebuilt equipment on cranberry bogs around here--many growers use GM power steering pumps to run the drums on berry pickers and some other light duty chores,but they have to use a "real" hydrailic pump to drive the sanders augers, and other more demanding things that need quite a bit of tourque..the power steering pumps lack enough volume,more than pressure--I've seen a few trucks with dump bodies that are "Tee'd" into the power steering pump for the power source--they are slow,and only lift 1000 lbs or so..and the pump whines like its overloaded while lifting.. :( not the hot setup.. :doah:

I've used one to raise and lower a backhoe boom while repairing it by jerry rigging the hoses to it!--but you ain't digging any holes with it!--it took about 30 seconds just to extend the boom all the way out,and I could "stall" it by holding it back..they work ok for a small crane or hoist cylinder with a starter motor though..someday I want to adapt a hydraulic cylinder and pump to my crane on my flatebed,in addition to the winch..got the pump off a dump body,all I need is a piston.. :crazy:

A small engine isn't out of the question,they DO work ok IF you have a motir that starts and runs easily--most briggs motors are not in that category!--I'd use a 5.5 hp Honda motor--those things start real easy,are MUCH quieter,and outlast any briggs motor...a diesel is the balls,but the only place I saw a single cylinder "Lister" diesel for sale fairly cheap was on one of those flashing road construction warning arrow signs,at a scrapyard--they wanted 250 bucks for the motor/generator!--new diesels go for 1500-2500 bucks! :eek1: :crazy:
 
If your motor dies, what do you need a winch for? I guess you could winch out of your tough spot, but then what, and you might have dead batterie(s) winching with no motor.
 
Ever tried to replace a starter when it's under water? The longer it sits, the harder it'll be to come out. That's why I want a winch that works when it isn't running, but still has MAXIMUM pulling power.

Trail repairs are easier too when you don't have 30 people yelling at you to get out of the way.
 
This may not be the answer you want to hear but this is what I did. I ran a 2nd p/s pump for my hydraulic winch. This way if my winch springs a leak I still have steering. If my steering pump takes a crap I can reroute the lines from my front winch to my gear box and steer off of the spare pump. If the engine dies I have an warn 8000 I got for 100.00 from someone mounted in the rear bumper. With this setup I have protected my steering, can run my front winch when under water (hydraulic) and if I kill it I need to back out anyway so I have the electric winch in the rear for that.
 
yea im pretty bad about that

i get preached to quite often about my run on sentences..

i'll try to get used to it... but my button isn't shaped like an l no keys are but i know what you sayin

now the idea about a pallet with like lawn mower tensioners to run different pieces....i like that it sounds really cool and plausable...

And big orrange it was my freshman year that i tried that experiment and it just seemed like 3 alternators charging 1 battery to one starter motor should run even after you remove the 12 v source but nope...i thought 3 alternators would be enuff to over come the effiencey problem, but it wasn't the more load on alt the harder it is to turn wich causes the motor to pull more amps to turn the heavier load,which starts over more amps the harder to turn the alt, just 1 vicious cycle that untimately ends in evrything stpping...but i did manage to get it to run for almost 2hrs most attemtps started slowing as soon as i removed the battery and would be at a dead stop in 5 mins or less....i put a 5 farad cap on the starters input and it was enuff to allow it to run for about hr and 45 mins..but it eventually ran down to
its been my hobby for years to try and figure out how to make a perpetual anything..maybe i will get it one day and a nobody could get the nobel :haha: i mean they just proved a law that is used in all of our laws of physics is wrong so this means all of our laws of physics is flawed..because they have proven that light is not constant that it actually slows down at some point :doah:
 
Hyd. plug It in and your at 100% power now!!!!

:D The only winch that works when the motor isn't running, but still has MAXIMUM pulling power Is a Hyd. I did a Gov. job for a Boss. of mine about 3 years ago. It was a 5hp motor mounted In a small cage with a power steering pump with a belt. I was not hip on the Idea a Hyd. winch at the time. After he came back from his first trip he had me make It so he could swap out the power steering pump for an alternator.. To help people with there 12volt winches, But Its not like Hyd. you just plug It in and your at 100% power now!!!! Just my two cents.
 
BLAZIN sorry i just get lost in ongoing text, it might be ADD or drinking or something... just confuses me :confused: :confused:
BO sure come on by you prob not missing much though, its just like NC w/more inbreeding and stupidity... but..
GO TITANS!!VOLS SUCK
and i really need help with all this beer!!! oh and we could do some work too... :whistle: :whistle: :doah:

the "power crate" is one of my many yet to be started ideas... damn job...


as for the winch why not use PTO??
 
pto dies with the engine

i thought this thread was about getting a truck out after motor had died...

thats why i like this formum u come in with a "that won't work or woun't be practicle" attitude and leave thinging about how to build your own

i like the pallet with several units and belt tensioners to chose what you want to run...throw a tensioner and you have a hyd winch running...once you get out throw that tensiner and start another with a compressor, or another with a rotor and stator out of a small welder to fix yours or a fellow wheelers rig, swap some more belt tesioners have it to pull an alternator to charge yours or fellow wheelers battery...flip some more tensioners and have 110v at camp time.....sounds really neat although i dont need the winch hydralic but if my batteries start acting weak because i'm winching my elec winch while motor is dead
start 5.5 briges use tensioners i need to run an alt to charge them...it seems like it could have endless possibilities and once some1 sees yours or mine :rolleyes: and every1 wants 1 after they see how much you can do with it and suddelly ever1 is making their own version to run the accessories and bam you are some1 who changed trail rigs and no1 will ever remember your name...you got me thinkin about a single briggs with tensinors on the belts with a 4 pulley on briggs crank

put a alternator, a 110v genorator, a welder..and a compressor all made to run on a single engine with tensioners to control what you want running..

this is what got 4x4 where it is today...pioneering and i say good luck and wish me luck ..you may want to get a patent, but people would make it a little different so they can get by..you may actually be on to a super idea here

i'm actually going to try what i stated above
 
lister for sale?

This is for diesel4me. can you give me more info on that cheap lister for sale, thanks
 
its already sold..

It was at a junkyard--Middleboro Auto Salvage ,in middleboro MA..--but last time I went there they had crushed out many of the older GM trucks,and the diesel generator was gone..they crushed just about every 70's and 80's truck they had,over 100 are GONE!..:(

I did see a wisconsin engine/generator (or maybe a hydro pump?) setup on an old telephone company bucket truck there,but it was a gas motor,and its been there for at least a few years..I have not been there since june,so that truck might be history too..

I've seen several Onan generators from big RV's there for sale for less than 200 bucks though,and some HUGE military ones that could run a small city,but I didn't look to see if they were diesel or gas powered..

I asked the owner about the Lister diesel and flashing road sign/generator,he said its most likely been sold,or maybe his dad decided to keep it..:( ..good luck finding a "cheap" diesel one lunger,unless you stumble across one at an equipment auction,they are pretty scarce to come by..plenty of new ones available in Northern Tool's catalog,but prices are well over 1500 for a one lunger..even Briggs and Stratton is entering the diesel market..they have some cute 23-28 hp 3 cylinder ones ,but they cost about 4-5 thousand bucks!..:doah: .cranberry growers here are switching most of their bog pumps to diesels now..many use VW rabbit diesel motors,or Yanmar,etc..:crazy:
 
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