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best stock heads for 355?cheap 383

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I just pulled the heads of a 350.Turns out it's .030 over and had 882 casting heads on it.Are these good stock heads?The engine came from a mud truck that was never power-washed,so the plugs are frozen into the heads.I've tried PB and lotsa heat to no avail.The 2 plugs that did come out,came out in pieces and the threaded part of the plug is still in there.

So,in replacing the heads,what should I be looking for(craigslist)as the optimal head for the 355.I've no clue what cam is in it,if it even matters.I'll be using a 400/208.

Also,what kind of price am I lookin at to have the block clearanced for a 400 crank?Or is it something I can do w/a die grinder?IDK,just asking.I have access to another fresh from the machine shop .030 block for $100,and I can get a stock replacement from advanced w/ new bearings for $80-ish w/ a friends discount.So it wouldn't be that far off from a 383 on the cheap since I've already got the .030 pistons and rods.

If anyone is interested,I've got the first part of my build photos on photobucket,but not sure how to get them on here.

TIA
Jerry
 
If you can find a set of Vortec's they would be a 30-40hp increase over those heads stock. It would require upgrading the intake, and less than .460 lift for stock springs. But they are about the best stock production iron head Chevy made.
 
OK,the vortecs is the answer I expected,camel-humps were next.What model/year vehicle did the vortecs come on? And the intake upgrade is because of the 2 center holes at a different angle,right?anything else I should know before diving in.I was just offered a set of complete vortec heads for $150 from someone down on his luck.Wish I would have had the cash at the time.$150 a good price?
 
OK,the vortecs is the answer I expected,camel-humps were next.What model/year vehicle did the vortecs come on? And the intake upgrade is because of the 2 center holes at a different angle,right?anything else I should know before diving in.I was just offered a set of complete vortec heads for $150 from someone down on his luck.Wish I would have had the cash at the time.$150 a good price?

Make sure they are good. I bought a set of vortecs a while back and they were both ****ing cracked.
 
Vortecs came on 96 and up trucks get the 350's not the 305's.
You need a different intake because of the bolts go straight down instead of at an angle. Your thinking centerbolt heads from 87 to 95 (I think)
Now I do love my Double hump heads also, but so many of them have been modified.



Read this:
http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/howto/97458/index.html
 
Check out the World S/R torquer heads... Same gain as vortecs and you won't have to change the intake manifold.
 
So it wouldn't be that far off from a 383 on the cheap since I've already got the .030 pistons and rods.

383's have their own pistons, I'm pretty sure that 350 pistons won't work (it may be that the longer stroke would cause contact between the rod and piston skirt).



I was just offered a set of complete vortec heads for $150 from someone down on his luck.Wish I would have had the cash at the time.$150 a good price?

Vortec heads are great for power but, as mentioned, watch out for cracks (though that's true of pretty much any used head). And, as mentioned, you'll need a new intake manifold and centerbolt valve covers.

Also, what cam is in this motor? Vortec heads are only good up to ~.460" lift without modification.
 
OK,the vortecs is the answer I expected,camel-humps were next.

You can just about anywhere ( speed shops anywhere ) buy a good casting aluminum or iron head thats going to outflow any stock head , have large valves , machined for better springs/guideplates/larger pushrods and high ratio rockers ......... for less than a grand a pair on sale most the time .
 
small correction on the Vortec heads - with the stock springs, they are limited to .450in lift. with comp cams behive springs, that available lift increases to .550in. and extends the RPM band.

In regards to which castings to look for, find a pair that end in 062, they came off the light duty trucks, IE, silverados, tahoes, suburbans. the castings that end in... crap, i forget, its something like 908, were off the bigger box trucks, and had a pressed in exhaust seat that limited exhaust flow.

you will need to run a different manifold, and if you have to worry about emissions, youll have to get an EGR pipe kit, SDPP2000.com has it.
 
There must be some variation in the Vortec heads. Here's one of my old comments about them:

"I'm real close (actually have .055") to the recommended .060" clearance between retainer and seal at .452" lift. The springs on them (stock) were designed for a roller cam with about .427" max lift."

As mentioned before, for the hassle/expense/weakness tradeoffs, aftermarket heads around the $1000 mark are better than even new Vortecs.
 
If only I had $1000 for heads! I'm working with a craigslist budget.I'll just have mine ported/polished and call it good for now.

So what's this about special pistons for a 383?I thought they just used a .030 piston?Does anyone know for sure?
 
a 383 uses a 400 crank, which has shorter rods (5.565?) than a 350 requiring different pistons also, or you'll push the piston out of the block with the 5.7 rods of a 350
 
The cheapest way out with a 383 is to buy a Scat Kit... or buy the GMPP 383E crate engine..

The rods are different stroke, the pistons are different also. If you run the Vortec head or the SR torquer, use the GM factory HT 383 cam for great torque.. plus it fits the Vortec lift restrictions....

We build 355 CI motors both carbed & TBI all the time with the Vortec heads & HT 383 cam & they make over 400 lb ft.. nice inexpensive motor....

This is a fairly long read, but it should answer all your questions,

Good Luck

Supergas

383 Stroker FAQ Copied from www.Chevymania.com


The 383 chevy is one of the most powerful engines you can build. It is also the source of many questions and a lot of confusion. This is a basic 383 information page. The info is specifically about the properties and special conditions they may require in there buildups.
What is a 383 and what do I need to build one?
A 383 is a 350 production block with a 400 production crank. The crank has some special machine work done, namely the main journals of the 400 are 2.65" and the 350's are 2.45" so they must be turned down by .200" to make the STD. 350 main bearing size. Since the 400 is externally balanced you will need a balancer and flywheel/flexplate for a 400 CID chevy motor.
Do I need special pistons?
Yes and no. The added stroke of the engine would push the piston out of the bore by .125" if you used stock 350 pistons and rods. If you run stock 350 pistons and 400 style rods you can get away without special pistons but The skirts may also hit the counterweights since the 400 crank has larger weights and is longer from the centerline outward. If you go this route you need to pay close attention to crank to piston skirt clearance.
What's with this rod thing?
The 400 uses a 5.56" long connecting rod. All other small block chevy's use a 5.7" rod. The reason for the shorter rod is GM decided not to raise the piston pin higher so they shorted the rod the appropriate length to prevent the piston from popping out. 383's can have many different rod lengths but the first ones used stock 400 rods and stock 350 pistons with relieved skirts before custom pistons were available.
Which rod is better and why?
The longer rods are better than shorter ones. For a full explanation see the rod FAQ
Will longer rods cost more or require special work?
Yes and Yes!! The longer rods themselves don't cost more but the pistons you need will raise in price. The pistons will have higher piston pin heights and will have rings higher up on the piston. In cases where a non stock rod of 6.00" or longer the pin will actually intersect with the oil ring. These will require support rails for the ring. The longer rods will also make cam to rod clearance an issue. Special grinding or clearancing of the rod bolt shoulder will be required and/or a reduced base circle camshaft will be required.
What will the block require?
The block will need to be notched in the oil pan area. The longer stroke crank will need deeper notches to clear the counter weights and rod throws.
Should I balance the motor?
Yes!!!!! Any time you change geometry from stock a balance job is neccessary. That is if you want it to live! The pistons and rods are lighter than stock 400 versions and there is too much counterweight. This will make for a lot of vibrations and that is bad for a motor.
What kind of heads do I need?
Any kind you want. A 383 takes the same cylinder heads as a 350. The 383 does like larger heads and big valves but it is not mandatory to have 2.02/1.60 valves and huge intake runners.
Do I need steam holes in these heads?
No! A 383 uses a 350 block and it has no provisions for steam holes. It also cools like a 350 so only minor cooling system upgrades are neccessary.
What is the cost of this kind of buildup?
This is a tricky question and probably the most asked one! A 383 can be very pricey. The crank will cost a pretty penny to find a used one. There are several aftermarket companies selling '383' cranks that don't require any work so said. A crank can cost anywhere from 250 to over 1800$ depending on the kind and quality of the crank you buy. Pistons also fall into this wildly ranging category. You can spend 150 on cheap cast pistons or over 500 on light forged units. The balance job can cost from 120 to 240 depending on the shop, kind of balance job and the area you live in. Block work is not too bad. The only extra is the notching and that can be from 100-175 for the work. The rods are also another area of wide variety. You can get stock reworked 400 rods with ARP bolts for 100$ and you can order the 700$ sportsman rods and so on. If you order aftermarket rods that are profiled for stroker motors you will save yourself the grinding of the rods and/or the reduced base circle cam. If you get stock rods or non profiled rods you will either have to grind them yourself or pay your shop 50-100$ for this. You will also need to do this before the motor is balanced!!! I have built them for around 1600 and as much as 10,000 so far so do some leg work and pricing!
How much power will the stock 400 crank handle?
I have used a prepped 400 crank to 700+HP I have used basically stock cranks to over 550 HP so a stock nodular iron crank is fine for most buildups. The crank is strong because of the beefier construction of the crank.
What is the red line on these motors?
The red line varies from motor to motor depending on the parts installed and work done etc... A basic short rod 383 will live to 5500 and a 5.7" rod motor will go to 6500. Motors with forged internals and special work done can of course go higher. As a basic rule of thumb you can go 1000 RPM per 10PSI of oil pressure. If you have 70 PSI you can make 6000 with a 10 PSI safety margin. This rule will affect every kind of motor. It's kinda of an either/or here. You can go as high as your oil pressure permits or the internal parts permit whichever is lower!
What size cam will I need?
Probably the second most asked question is cam sizing. This is another tricky thing to pick. Since ever single aspect of the engine and vehicle it's installed in will affect this I will just give another rule of thumb. 99% of rated ranges on products are based on the 350. If you have built a 383 you can add 10 degrees of duration to the motor and get very similar characteristics. For example; A 350 would probably have a moderate to rough idle with a 224 duration cam, measured @ .050 lift. The 383 will take a 234 duration cam to make almost the same idle and vacuum as the 350. These motors also like to breath so longer duration larger lift cams work well in them. Don't overcam! Just because you have a bigger engine don't go stuff the largest cam you can find into it. Most street engines use less than 234 degrees of duration @ .050! The motor is bigger so it will make more power with less cam so a 383 with a 214 cam will make more power than a 220 duration cam 350 if all else was the same.
What intake and manifold should I use?
Intake should be a high rise aluminum and a moderate carb. The 383 likes to breath so a bigger intake manifold like the RPM or Stealth would be a better choice but the performer and action + manifolds will work. Carb also depends on application but on the street under 6000 RPM you could get away with a 650! A 750 would make more power but is the largest you should go unless you are all out racing! Are there any special things I need to pay attention to when assembling the motor?
Yes you must check cam to rod clearance and block to rod clearance. Both should be .050" minimum! All other specks will be the same as a 350 or whatever the manufacture specifies. Should I run a high volume oil pump?
Only if you have a deep extra capacity oil pan. I personally do not like or condone high volume oil pumps on any engine. A stock oil pan will be sucked dry by a high volume pump @ 4500 RPM under hard acceleration. I have rebuilt more than a few motors that burnt up this way.
 
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supergas - excellent post

I agree.I'll be re-reading that for sure.I just skimmed over it in a hurry because I'm supposed to be cleaning the house.Gotta get that done before the wife gets home or Hell hath no fury.

Thanks for the info,anyway.Looks like the 383 will have to wait til I can do it right.
 
might look into an Eagle stroker crank, they have the small crank journals for a 350 with the 400 stroke - under 200 bucks
 
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