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Biodiesel, anybody here make their own, is it legit

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I've been doing a lot of research into readily available alternative fuels as kinda a personal hobby of mine and the best sounding thing out there that I've come across is biodiesel.

They are saying that to make your own biodiesel only cost about .80 to a dollar per gallon to make. Okay sounds great, saves you roughly 3 bucks a gallon at the pump.

The newer refined waste vegetable oil units say it only takes about 30 minutes of hands on time to make. I think it's a 48hr totally process tho.

I'm just curious if anyone here is making their own. It sounds too good to be true to me.

Any input would be helpful
 
I've got a friend who has been doing it for years.
There are lots of articles out there about it.
From what I hear, the biggest problem with it these days is getting the grease. Places used to be happy to give it away, since it cost them to have it hauled away.

Now that it's valuable, it's hard to get cheap.
 
In my opinion its not worth the expense or bother trying to make your own fuel--here every resturaunt now has to keep a log book showing how much oil they purchased,and when it gets disposed of,who took it,and how much they got...companies are paying for used fryolator oil to make biodiesel ,so good luck getting any free or cheap any more..it's treated like hazardous waste here,so few places are wiling to risk getting caught giving it away "illegaly"...

Another discouragement is you dont know what harm it might do to your engine or fuel system...at 2.75 a gallon,buying pump diesel isn't that much more,and you wont waste your time and effort filtering and gathering oil..
 
I manage a restaurant, we go through 120 gallons of fryer oil a week. One of the owners was making bio diesel for his 6.5 and his TDI Jetta. It worked out well for him.

We have a dumpster that gets all of our fryer oil and grease trap waste from the grill. About every 5 weeks it's filled and needs to be emptied. We get a check for what we sell them and the dumpster is free of charge because we fill it so often.

There was a time, after the boss stopped using the waste fryer oil, where I was selling it. I could get anywhere from $.80/gallon to $2 a gallon, depending on who was buying it and how much I had at the time. Keep in mind, this was clean/filtered oil almost ready to go. Ready to react or depending on what you were running...straight in the tank.

Once restaurants figured out they could get a little more for their fryer oil my market dried up and it wasn't worth it for us to save it separately. Easier to just dump it all in the common container. Being on the supply side, it's just not worth the extra effort to save it for what you can get out of it. Considering I can dump it in a container and call someone to empty it and get money out of the deal.

IMO, unless you have a free supply....it probably isn't worth the effort. One guy the was buying from me drove all over the area collecting, figure in his time, money spent on gas, effort lugging 35# gallon jugs (he'd normally get 100+ from me) then the time to unload it and do what he needed to do to it....how much did he really save?
 
I've been doing a lot of research into readily available alternative fuels as kinda a personal hobby of mine and the best sounding thing out there that I've come across is biodiesel.

They are saying that to make your own biodiesel only cost about .80 to a dollar per gallon to make. Okay sounds great, saves you roughly 3 bucks a gallon at the pump.

The newer refined waste vegetable oil units say it only takes about 30 minutes of hands on time to make. I think it's a 48hr totally process tho.

I'm just curious if anyone here is making their own. It sounds too good to be true to me.

Any input would be helpful

I have several friends that have been either making biodiesel or running straight WVO in their vehicles (going on 10 years now). It's a great idea, and it's quite doable if you wanna put in a little effort. But one by one, most of them got tired of it and moved onto other hobbies. It just got boring after a while, and they decided that they weren't all that serious about saving the fuel money. For my dad, it took about 1.5 years for him to get interested in other things. He passed his diesel beater-car onto another friend who is probably still running it on free-ish fuel. During our tenure with it (I helped out extensively with this project), it operated well on filtered WVO dumped directly into the tank. And, yes, the exhaust actually did smell faintly like the products cooked in the oil (Chinese food & Chick-fil-a, in our case). The WVO from our particular restaurants would freeze up at around 40*F (lower for the CFA peanut oil). So we would only run it straight on hot summer days, and we would mix in less and less as the temperature fell in the wintertime. Our friends would either run the biodiesel conversion or install heated fuel tanks to run it in the wintertime. Also, different types of oil froze up at different temperatures.

If I was doing it again (and I probably will someday), I would collect waste motor oil from local garages or autozone and filter that with a centrifuge. Much easier to pump, much cleaner than dealing with rotten french fries, and the centrifuge appears to be funner & easier to use than the cartridge-type filters that we used (based on helping our friends out with theirs). It doesn't freeze up under any normal operating conditions, and it will be far nicer to your fuel system at 40*F than congealed chicken wings will be.

Biodiesel will also be kinder than WVO, but it is still of heavier viscosity than petrodiesel, and it doesn't lubricate as well as old injector pumps like mine require (this point is probably moot, as petrodiesel also fails in this regard).

So you can reasonably make biodiesel, or just run WVO or engine oil. The hardest part will just be getting a supply lined up. We chose a supply that froze solid, and that was the point where it ceased being fun. Even had we been doing the biodiesel conversion, we couldn't have easily picked up our oil supply during the cold season.

If you can do that, it's just a matter of making sure the fuel is clean enough and of sufficient viscosity to run through your fuel system without breaking things. Viscosity fears did drive one of our friends away from biodiesel. It was a great idea when he had a 15-year-old TDI. Then he bought a brand new one and didn't have the stomach to put homebrew in it. Warranty issues and fear of messing something up on his expensive rig drove him out of the hobby. We just opted for a $1000 beater car and decided we didn't care if we messed the IP up. I don't think anyone in our group messed anything up, but the potential is there if the fuel gets too solid to pump smoothly. This is mostly a concern for places with cold winters. Not sure how cold your region gets, but places like SoCal and AZ can much more safely ignore this problem. :rolleyes:
 
I'm just curious if anyone here is making their own. It sounds too good to be true to me.

You won't say that after a few weeks of pumping "petrified dinosaur vomit" (my dad's words) from your local restaurants. The job is dirty, the reward seems slight given the fairly cheap price of fuel, and oil can be hard to find. There is no silver lining here. If you wanna do it, it's a great idea. But it's not some wonderful "too good to be true" gig.

And you might find that you never want to eat fried food again. 9 years later I still grimace at the thought of Chinese food...:doah:
 
I ran it for awhile myself. As others have stated, it's time consuming, messy, expensive to get established, and sourcing the oil is the hardest part. Waste engine oil and trans fluid seem to be easier to get and more consistent to work with.

If you're going to do it, do it as a hobby. The time and money invested doesn't really offer much payout. There are many more easier ways to make or save money.

Another thing that can be an issue is taxes. Fuel sold at the pump has local, state, and federal taxes figured in with it. The Gubmint wants their share of every gallon used on public roads, and I've heard of people getting fined for making their own fuel
 
I ran it for awhile myself. As others have stated, it's time consuming, messy, expensive to get established, and sourcing the oil is the hardest part. Waste engine oil and trans fluid seem to be easier to get and more consistent to work with.

If you're going to do it, do it as a hobby. The time and money invested doesn't really offer much payout. There are many more easier ways to make or save money.

Another thing that can be an issue is taxes. Fuel sold at the pump has local, state, and federal taxes figured in with it. The Gubmint wants their share of every gallon used on public roads, and I've heard of people getting fined for making their own fuel

Our situation was that the federal gov't didn't charge us (because we produced less than 400 gallons per quarter-year), but our state did. Your state may vary, and the federal laws have probably changed since then, too. So do your research if you plan to stay on the good side of the law...

One of our friends had a rather unpleasant inspection from the local DNR after his neighbor reported him for polluting the water supply to his lawn grass. I don't think he got in trouble, but the visit wasn't particularly fun either. He did get informed that the previously mentioned taxes would have to be paid (he hadn't realized that the state didn't share the federal exemption).
 
Most of the auto parts stores have deals with _________ to pick up their used oil.

That being said Firestone just changed contracts because SafetyKlean stopped paying them to pick it up.

The thing to do is have a way to dump your old oil and run on that too.
 
I ran some for a while. ..in the end

I hated the smell, lack of power, plugged fuel filters, smoked al little, did i mention the smell? It took forever for the smell to go away. and that was the summer time. I couldn't imagine trying to heat it in the winter....and cold starts..no thanks.

Have some fun with it but in the end i felt it wasn't worth it.

Now....i do have a friend who concerts old ATF and thats not as bad and you can change your ratio a little with how much diesels fuel you run with it.
 
My son runs his Cummins on filtered used ATF about 80/20 most of the year. I run the same mix in my Tractor and mower without any problems.
 
I own a bar. We get paid for our waste oil, and they come and pick it up. All we have to do is dump it in the dumpster, and they take care of the rest.

Martin
 

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