broke something in my front diff, now with pics, video post 19

[85 Jimmy]

a few weeks ago i installed a lock right in my front diff. well last night i was playing around and started to get stuck so i threw it in reverse backed up a bit and then put it in drive and hammered it. in the process of useing the skinny pedal i heard a click or pop. i got out of the hole i was in, but then i didn't feel like the locker was there, like maybe a broken shaft...

i got home and lifted up one side of the front, with both hubs locked and i can spin the tire, but you can hear and feel somthing wrong in the diff, then i lift the other side just to make sure it's not the other shaft and i can spin it and it has the same feeling. when i unlock one of the hubs and spin a tire it spins normal... oh yeah, and the driveshaft spins when i spin the tire...

i don't have any gear oil and i know the only way to find out is to pop the cover, but from what i described what do ya'll think it could be? busted locker, broke ring/pinion, carrier, carrier pin?

 

[Chaddy]

That sounds like broken teeth from the ring or pinion.

 

[Leper]

I think it is a broken axle, at the locker.

 

[sandawgk5]

Yep sounds like a broke axle to me too. Is this a 10 bolt by chance?

Dik

 

[85 Jimmy]

yep, it's a 10 bolt...

i thought it was a broke shaft as well, but then when i lifted the front end up and spun the wheels they would both spin the driveshaft... is there any way to tell if it's a shaft with out pulling them out? i was just going to pop the cover and take a look after work. also if it is broke off at the carrier, how do i get the broke piece out, just use a looong magnet???

i guess it's time for a 60

 

[reddog64]

yep, it's a 10 bolt...

i thought it was a broke shaft as well, but then when i lifted the front end up and spun the wheels they would both spin the driveshaft... is there any way to tell if it's a shaft with out pulling them out? i was just going to pop the cover and take a look after work. also if it is broke off at the carrier, how do i get the broke piece out, just use a looong magnet???

i guess it's time for a 60

Good thing you just dumped money into the 10 bolt huh...

 

[Thunder]

You may have just broke the pins in the lockrite. I have broken the pins in a front lockrite before. The locker wont work if the pins are broke, makes noise, klunks and bangs.
You can get a set of new pins and springs from richmond gear.
If you run a locker in the front 10b you have to learn to go easy on the skinny pedal. Espically when turning.

 

[85 Jimmy]

Good thing you just dumped money into the 10 bolt huh...

i also just bought stuff to convert the front to 8 lug

i'm just going to replace what's broke, wheel it till i get a 60 and have it the way i want, then replace the 10 bolt and sell it for what ever someone will give me for a 10 bolt that's locked with 3.73's...

i love wasting money

 

[85 Jimmy]

You may have just broke the pins in the lockrite. I have broken the pins in a front lockrite before. The locker wont work if the pins are broke, makes noise, klunks and bangs.
You can get a set of new pins and springs from richmond gear.
If you run a locker in the front 10b you have to learn to go easy on the skinny pedal. Espically when turning.

that's all it does, klunks and bangs...

you are talking about the little pins that the springs hold in, right?

i'm still learning to adjust to the locker, when i'm in a washout climbing around i barely use the skinny pedal, but last night when i got in the sticky situation my instinct kicked in and before i knew it, bang, no more front locker

 

[pauly383]

Just for noise clarification , if its working , it will make noise when you jack up the front end and spin it by hand with one tire still on the ground , just the teeth clicking sound as they overrun . Turn it one way and it clicks , turn it back and it should lock . Like the check in the install manual .

 

[85 Jimmy]

Just for noise clarification , if its working , it will make noise when you jack up the front end and spin it by hand with one tire still on the ground , just the teeth clicking sound as they overrun . Turn it one way and it clicks , turn it back and it should lock . Like the check in the install manual .

it spins when i turn it either way

 

[85 Jimmy]

so i just pulled the diff cover and nothing looks wrong... only other thing i can think of is an axle shaft or hub, but why would the driveshaft spin when i spin either tire if it were one of those???

also, when i have the t-case in neutral and both hubs unlocked, i should be able to rotate the carrier, right? when it was in 2 wheel i could but not neutral...

 

[driney]

I believe that when the T case is in neutral, the front and rear shafts are coupled. Your rear axle is keeping the front shaft from turning.

 

[sandawgk5]

I believe that when the T case is in neutral, the front and rear shafts are coupled. Your rear axle is keeping the front shaft from turning.

Yep what he said^^^^^^^^^. The front shaft is only free to spin in 2wd. Neutral and 4wd couple it with the rear output.

Dik

 

[85 Jimmy]

so what would yall say is wrong, axle shaft, hub???

i guess i have to take it apart to find...

 

[GsxrMike]

so what would yall say is wrong, axle shaft, hub???

i guess i have to take it apart to find...

You answered your on question in the first post...it's a 10 bolt

I'm running the same thing in my build because I'm an idiot and missed out on a rebuilt set 14BFFdetroit/D60detroit complete for $1500.

 

[85 Jimmy]

well this is what it looks like with the cover off

notice the teeth when i turn the tire

this is how i would think it would work since i'm supposed to be able to turn with this, but the first 2 times i went out wheeling with it, it caused my steering to feel different, like it would pull to one side or the other and never want to go straight, now it feels like it did before i locked it

also found this wrong, but not the cause of the problem

video coming

 

[BoondocK5]

Not sure what were looking at, I don't see anything broken

Nice caps!

 

[85 Jimmy]

sorry i was out side by myself and the prop that i had holding the camera up popped out. at the end of the video i walked to the other side and unlocked the hub, then walked back over and turned the wheel

is that how it's supposed to work? when i first put it in it was engaged all the time and you couldn't turn the wheel if the other was on the ground and both hubs locked

 

[BILTIT]

Hard to tell, at the end it looks like you are getting some clicking but no movement on the locker? You need to simulate the torque input from the driveshaft to have an accurate look at how everything spins. Mine does alot of the same, lots of clicking but both seem to still turn. Some have said they are designed to be that way, called a ratcheting locker. No one has confirmed wether it should click or not while driving straight.