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Broke the crankshaft on my kids 6.2

bradshawtech

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My son just left the house and called me 5 minutes later and asked me to come and get him........

Towed him back to the house and put a breaker bar on the crank pulley and NO GO!!!!!

Fan belts are all loose and starter wont turn it over either.

I looked on craigslist and found a used 84 6.2 out of a "military" truck close to me for $400.00

That price seems ok since it is complete with a new starter that comes with it. He parted out the truck since it needed a flex plate. New starter and needing a flexplate.... should I be concerned about any internal damage or for $400.00 it is a cheap gamble?

What say the Brothers?
 
That's a fairly cheap gamble. There's always a risk of an issue with a used engine that you can't hear run. I'd pop the valve covers and turn the engine over and make sure everything looks okay. Did he part out the truck because of a flexplate (odd) or is the flexplate gone because he parted out the truck?
 
Maybe his starter went out and grenaded the flywheel. Buddy of mine sold off his c30 for $500 bcuz of that. Wish he would have told me first
 
I went and grabbed the used engine from the guy.... Looks like someone has had the valve covers off at some time, the guy bought a military k5 with this 6.2 and a 700r4 in it.

I paid $300.00 for the engine with an alternator and a new gear reduction starter on it. I think my risk is not too severe.

It has a EGR manifold on it that I will be changing out as I bought a non EGR manifold from a CK5er a while back. It came from a 84 K5 and the guy said he drove it and he thought it had good power as he had been told by people that these motors are weak. He bought the 84 to part it out to put the 6.2 into his 70 K5 but something happened and he decided not to do the swap. That is why he parted it out and now is selling it all off.

One other question that I have is the old guy he bought the K5 from told him it was his hunting rig that he drove out of state to hunting camp and that he sold it because it needed freeze plugs and he didn't want to mess with them. Now the question, Are there any tricks to doing the freeze plugs and are there any other things to check out before I swap it into my kids truck? I plan on freshening up all the external gaskets and new water pump and fuel pump and other odds and ends but what else do you guys recommend?
 
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The reason the cranks break is people don't replace the harmonic dampner, do that and you will never break another crank
 
There is not exactly a trick to replacing the plugs, but you do need to do it right. Its been so long since I did some, I better let someone tell you the procedure who has done some since the 70s.

If you were doing a complete rebuild, I would suggest doing the thread and plug method where you tap the holes and screw in a pipe plug.
But its too much trouble and cost for just a simple replacement.

It does pretty much end any worries about one rusting or blowing out though.

And since, despite the name, they are actually cleanout holes to get the sand mold out and not in case of a freeze, it does not endanger the block any in cold weather.
 
The reason the cranks break is people don't replace the harmonic dampner, do that and you will never break another crank


I fully agree, I had wanted to replace his original a couple of years ago but I couldn't find one for less than $300.00 if I recall correctly. (ironic that I had to pay $300.00 for a whole engine now} One thing about this is the guy I got it from didn't know the mileage on the engine I bought, it has to have less than the 275,000 miles I had on the original I had......... I hope.

What would you guess, since this was a military K5, were the tires driven off of those kind of rigs or are they usually lower mileage?

I did see a 6.2 damper on Ebay the other day for $75.00 new from Australia. If it is legit then I will order one from them.

J, thanks for the reply, was just concerned about knocking the old ones out and not breaking the casting or somehow damaging a cylinder or webbing. Can I use a big socket to push them back in.
 
J, thanks for the reply, was just concerned about knocking the old ones out and not breaking the casting or somehow damaging a cylinder or webbing. Can I use a big socket to push them back in.

OK, I'll give you some info. But its dated. Hopefully if there has been any changes someone will chime in.
First thing to remember, is that the edges of the hole are critical. Keep any hard tools away from them.
You do not want any scratches or gouges where the new plug has to seal.

Use a thick screwdriver or punch to punch at the side or top of the plug. Not along the edge where it is in the block, but just inside along the side. Don't hit it at the bottom, the odds of hitting a thin spot and punching through are slightly greater there.

The idea is to get the plug to rotate in the block and turn sideways. Then you can grab it with something and work it out.
Make sure the edges of the hole are clean and dry with a slight chamfer on the outside edge.
Light polishing with some Scotch Bright or such might be necessary. Don't remove much metal.

Now you have to decide between steel and brass plugs.
I have used both.
In a boat, you use brass, no question.

Otherwise, I have no real opinion as to which is best. Brass will not rust, but if you keep the antifreeze good, steel should not either.
Brass does look cool while it is still shiny though.

Sealant or no sealant.

In a perfect world you should not need sealant.
But, if the hole is slightly oversize, not perfectly smooth, or not exactly round, you may get a leak if its put in dry.
DO NOT use silicone rubber. It never gets rock hard, and the plug will eventually work out.
Some of the varnish type permatex gasket sealers work the best probably if you use any.

You can use a special freeze plug install tool, or a big socket. I'm willing to bet outside of a factory more plugs have been put in with a socket than the tool.

DO NOT use a socket that fits snugly in the plug. You want it almost snug so that the force is as close to the outside as possible, but the plug contracts as it is driven in.
That spring force of it trying to expand out is what holds it in and creates the seal. If your socket is snug, not only will it make it harder to punch in, it could crack the block in an extreme case.
Also something has to give, so the metal of the lip of the plug will thin out some and give less hold.
But, the worse part is, you often wind up with the socket stuck in the plug.......
That is embarrassing.
Make sure the plug starts in straight and stays straight.

Catawompus is bad.

If it does not look right, pull it back out and put in another one. Remember its next to impossible to test these things before the engine is all the way back in and running.
Better to waste one than have to replace it with the engine in place.
Notice how deep the original ones are and stop when the new one is the same depth.
If you find a bad hole, then you may have to do the thread routine. DO NOT use one of the expanding rubber plugs no matter who says they work.

They Don't.
They are for getting you home from the trail, not long term use.
 
Napa has dampers for like 30 dollars. Mine on my 82 looked good but on the back all the rubber was gone. Has a new Napa one now.
 
I think the cranks break due to them not being durable enough (cast instead of forged or nodular?)...the balancer certianly can cause one to break ,but whether all of them are due to a bad balancer is debateable,so many had cranks fail,I doubt the balancer was to blame in every instance..

Dorman makes new balancers,but the cheapest I've seen is around 80 bucks here....if any of my 2 diesels break the crank,one of two things will happen--either the truck will get a gas engine ,or I'll just scrap it.,seeing both are borderline as far as being worth that much labor and expense ..so far I haven't seen any real advantage to having a diesel engine vs gas,for what I use the truck for...
 
J, Thanks for the refresher course.

I spent some time on the engine today, here is what I found.

The vacuum pump has an electrical two wire connector going to the top center of the pump, Is this the elusive tachometer signal generator for these engines?

The guy I got the engine from had put in two of the rubber expansion plugs in already, I removed those as well as all of the other plugs on the sides of the block. Way rusty and all would have failed soon. Inside of the water jackets there is a good amount of sediment built up on the bottom but it seems to be muddy and loose so I can pressure wash it out before the new freeze plugs go in. I will be reusing the new water pump as well as the new fuel pump from the original engine.

Ok....... now the BIG question...... As I was rolling the engine back and forth on the engine stand while working on the freeze plugs I heard a "tinny", clunk...... Crap, I wanted to not believe my ears but I knew better. I pulled the oil pan (was going to anyway) and I find the pump pickup tube bouncing around loose in the bottom of the pan..... When did it come off????? I have no way of knowing but the pump appears to be low enough that if it had come off while driving, it still would be drawing oil into the pump if the pan was full. I smelled around and looked and moved the rods and cannot see any obvious damage from oil starvation.

Now the question from engine guys, how common is it for the pickup to fall off the pump? Other than plasti-gaging the mains and rods are there any other things to look for while the pan is off? I could put on a new oil pump while the pan is off.

Its been a while since I have had to work on my own stuff and I am slightly happy to be doing this project.
 
Napa has dampers for like 30 dollars. Mine on my 82 looked good but on the back all the rubber was gone. Has a new Napa one now.


I just looked online at NAPA and it showed up as like $69.00

Is it because of California or do you get a big discount?
 
I get a discount but my store on the interwebs shows 61.50. I couldn't remember the cost but I knew it was under a $100. Much cheaper than a fluiddamper.
 
I know that on some engines, its common to braze the pickup tube on even a new oil pump when building for max durability.
So, it must not be that uncommon.

Not sure where the damage would start for sure.
Plastigage would be a good idea.
That is pretty much all you can check without a complete rebuild. If you had the front off, you might wiggle the camshaft to check for wear on the cam bearings, but with some of the valves open, not sure if you could feel any play.

Look for any discoloration on the mains and rod bearing surface. With those rubber plugs, the engine might have suffered a total loss of coolant in the past.
 
I agree on all comments. I am going to go forward with this as I will only be out a total of $500.00 and my labor if it all goes bad.
 
The vacuum pump has an electrical two wire connector going to the top center of the pump, Is this the elusive tachometer signal generator for these engines?




Anyone seen a vacuum pump with these wires going to the top the unit? I ask because I have not seen them before.
 
I noticed on the '87 6.2 engine I got from my friends ramp truck that busted the crank,had NO pickup screen on the oil pump at all,just a tube with a 45 degree slice cut at the end of it!--I dont know if it had one before I got it or not,it doesn't look like one was ever there,but who knows...the pan was off it when it was given to me,so I dont know if someone knocked it off,or if it ever even had one..the engine was a J code ,truck was a one ton C30...

I kind of doubt it was made that way on purpose,maybe it was ,but I dont think they would omit the screen ,and allow sludge and dirt to be sucked into the pump...especially on a diesel,that runs much dirtier than a gas engine as far as oil contamination..most likely it came off somwhere between the time the engine got pulled out,and when it was given to me for parts...I have not pulled any main or rod bearing caps off to look at the bearings,but I do know the engine ran great right up until the crank broke,had good oil presure,etc...
 
"Look for any discoloration on the mains and rod bearing surface. With those rubber plugs, the engine might have suffered a total loss of coolant in the past."




The guy I bought the engine from put the rubber plugs in after he pulled the engine. This engine fortunately hasn't run with these plugs in place.
 
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