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Building a 500hp 454

TBI would work with a Whipple?

I started down this road when I was looking at what to do with the TBI350 that was in the crew cab. At first it was just going to be vortec heads and a cam.....

http://www.trucktrend.com/how-to/en...ger-installation-1993-big-block-chevy-engine/

See the article (it's a really old article, but still). That is the exact same year 454 in my suburban. Looks like the stock TBI throttle body bolts to the back of the whipple. Again, this is more money, but for a weekend of work to slap on that much hp/tq gain....sounds pretty freaking good to me
 
With respect to heat/engine temps, is there any concern about using aluminum heads in a moderate performance towing application? Ideally, the cooling system temp should be fine but if towing in mountains or long uphill climbs would the temp get higher (but not overheating) than you'd want?
 
Good question, I don't know anything about that. Never had aluminum heads on anything. Haha
 
With respect to heat/engine temps, is there any concern about using aluminum heads in a moderate performance towing application? Ideally, the cooling system temp should be fine but if towing in mountains or long uphill climbs would the temp get higher (but not overheating) than you'd want?
Why would that matter? All sorts of the new Ford/Chevy/Dodge trucks come with aluminum heads these days and people are towing with them.....
 
Why would that matter? All sorts of the new Ford/Chevy/Dodge trucks come with aluminum heads these days and people are towing with them.....

Older stuff has a tendency to be less rock solid dependable than new stuff, add some performance parts in the mix and it may not behave like a 2015 Silverado.
 
Older stuff has a tendency to be less rock solid dependable than new stuff, add some performance parts in the mix and it may not behave like a 2015 Silverado.
True. But with a properly sized cooling system I wouldn't think there'd be an issue.
 
Yeah, I'm with @beags86 on that one, I wouldn't think that would matter whatsoever. In all reality, the overall design of newer motors vs older are not that drastically different. Sure the injection styles and electronics are vastly different, however they're still push-rod style motors. Therefore as long as the motor is assembled correctly, and as long as the cooling system as a whole is properly setup for the application, I don't think heat would have a different effect on an aluminum vs a cast iron head.
 
I got 8.5 mpg's towing in the pic below with my 8.1 ;)

But I get at what you're trying to portray here.

This would go in Scott's crew cab which he uses for not only wheeling, but towing too. I don't think he tows crazy heavy with it, I'm pretty sure he tows his hardside up to the mountains with it, so looking at towing mileage I don't think is the main concern, I could be wrong though


I like the 8100, it's a good engine, and kind of a hybrid engine with a stroker crank and stock spread port style heads for better efficiency. But if I was building one I would stick with a Mark IV or Gen VI for cost reasons.

And nice rig, cool setup, looks like you could get into all sorts of fun with that. (y)

I am talking 9.5 MPG with th huge 32 ft enclosed on the freeway, if I slow down a bit on a highway I can get 10-11 MPG. That camper is probably similar, its like towing a brick wall down the road, the wind resistance seems to matter more than the weight. (trailer is about 10k lbs loaded)

If I tow just the truck on my open trailer I get 11-12 MPG depending if its a highway or a freeway if you know what I mean. (trailer is about 7k lbs loaded)

I guess my point is, the diesel is nice and torquey, and almost necessary if you start towing over ~12k lbs, but it's not going to pay for itself in fuel savings these days with the DI gas coming so far and the diesels being some crazy $8k upgrade or something. And now they have a 6.6L DI gas motor coming out for the HD trucks with more torque. Still not 900 lb-ft to fly up a mountain pass but definitely a good engine for the money I bet.


I just took the dog for a walk and I was thinking about this. I think if I'm honest with myself, I probably have a $3000 spending limit to hop up a 454.

I agree with Kay, aluminum heads and a hydraulic roller cam, you'll need new pushrods (1 piece) and if you have the money a set of steel roller rockers and run it. I think you could still achieve ~500 hp. Maybe you can save some money by buying one of @AJs72K5 old roller cams. :D

With respect to heat/engine temps, is there any concern about using aluminum heads in a moderate performance towing application? Ideally, the cooling system temp should be fine but if towing in mountains or long uphill climbs would the temp get higher (but not overheating) than you'd want?

Not in my opinion, I agree with Beags and Kay, aluminum gets softer at lower temps than iron so it may warp a little easier if it does get way overheated, but it also conducts heat better to the coolant than iron so it also should be less likely to overheat assuming your cooling system is good. But in reality the weight will matter more than anything else. It would not worry me one bit to use aluminum heads on his rig.[/QUOTE]
 
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I agree with Kay, aluminum heads and a hydraulic roller cam, you'll need new pushrods (1 piece) and if you have the money a set of steel roller rockers and run it. I think you could still achieve ~500 hp. Maybe you can save some money by buying one of @AJs72K5 old roller cams. :D

That's cold Heath. :haha:
 
I thought that if you drove a big block truck, you weren't supposed to keep track of fuel mileage? :what: Kinda like the old saying, "if you have to ask, you can't afford it". :haha:
Yep. Quit keep track of mpg the first day I bought my first fat block truck.
 
Your right, SPG (smiles per gallon) are where it's at. Very high on a big block!
 
Big blocks are beast! Gas mileage wasnt even a thing until the 80s....no one even knew what mpgs were back then.
 
I’m not against aluminum heads, just getting educated.
 
I’m not against aluminum heads, just getting educated.
As Heath mentioned before, I can't imagine the heat being a problem. I think that if your getting the engine hot enough to have a problem.... Well your probably having a real big problem and your already screwed. Ha.
 
One other thing that maybe you have already or maybe you don't. The moment you change the cam and heads (assuming you already have a decent intake manifold), by far the biggest bottle neck would be the exhaust manifolds, long tube headers would pick up a lot of torque, and might cost you a 70 hp choke vs manifolds on ~450-500 hp big block.

I would probably spend the money on cam and good headers that don't leak before I spent the money on heads. And most definitely headers before rocker arms. The key is to get good welded flanges (header and collector) and good gaskets so they don't become a maintenance issue.
 
I have a good set of Sanderson. Not full length tubes. https://www.sandersonheaders.com/sa..._for_-67-87_chevy_pickups.html?category_id=27

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I have a Weiand intake made for the peanut port heads. However I was just reading about how single plane intakes improve idle on TBI type EFI so I been thinking about swapping intakes.

I was thinking maybe I should try just making a cam swap. I didn't do it when I swapped the 454 in because I was a little leery about needing to break-in a cam with an untested EFI setup. Let alone being a "new" to the truck engine.
 
A cam and intake is a good starting point if you already have some headers. Especially if it's a hydraulic roller cam with better ramp rates and more lift at lower duration. Also, no lobe break-in to worry about...
 
Found a local ad on Facebook for a Gen VI 454 for $400. It also was a Jasper motor but seller says it's got a bottom end knock after 60K miles. If I can get the money together, I'll pick it up to use for a starting point.

Oh shit, just looked again and he's dropped to $350......
 

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