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Building a Trail Rig

Busted Knuckles

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I just bought a straight ’78 SWB 4x4. As far as I can tell, it has an NP203 transfer case, Dana 44 front and Chevy 12-bolt rearend. My ’77 Blazer project is just too dang straight and nice for me to cut it at all, it’ll go back relatively original. I’m considering turning this shortwide into a trail rig. I have a ready to build vortec headed 406, a good 454 core motor and cores for 350, 400 and 700R4 trannies. I’ve had a 700R4 built with the good stuff and it’s held up well behind a decent 454 and I think the OD and very low 1st gear would both be assets if I decide to go that way, plus the output shaft should mate to the transfer case since it has a TH350 in it now. I also happen to have a full 10-point roll cage from S&W Racecars, cut and notched, it’s an easy weld-in. I bought a parts truck for my Blazer and ended up with all the running gear off of it, front to back, so I have plenty of spares.

My line of thought is to run it with the current running gear until it breaks, then think about upgrading. It’s flat, dry and treeless where I live, I’d have to drive 30 miles to get to any rough country at all. We have plenty of good mudholes around here from time to time, though, so that would probably be what we ended up playing in most of the time. Rock trail driving will be very limited at first, I don’t want to tear it up right off the bat. I’ll keep it street legal, don’t care to have to tow or haul it.

I have a couple of sons – 20 and 18 – and my girlfriend has an 18 year old son. I figure this would be a great project for us to all get involved in together. I’m a firm believer in thinking like a 20-year old when you’re hanging around with ‘em and this is just the kind of thing that appeals to young men (and us old farts that haven't grown up) – making something loud and tough and use it to tear $hit up.

I’d sure like to hear from some of you crawlers and mudders, I’ve never done it before and don’t care to waste money when I can help it.
 
Sounds like you've got some good plans so far! :waytogo:

If ya wanna crawl, a doubler would be a very cool (but rather expensive) addition for ya. I personally would keep the lift reasonable (like say 3-4" front springs coupled with a rear shackle flip and maybe a rear zero rate, and some fender trimming!). 35" tires would be the biggest I'd want to go on stock axles (though, with careful driving you can get away with bigger). The 'cage is a great idea, too much risk of injury without one! (I'll be putting in a 'cage as soon as I can).

I hope y'all have a lot of fun! Post up some pics if ya get a chance! ;)
 
Yeah, I know, but if you dig into my grey matter, you'll find there's a method to my mandess. Sometimes.
The shortbed has had it's share of abuse, I know it's been beat on pretty bad and the previous owner took great care of the Blazer. I only gave $500 for the shortbed - front fenders match, doors match and cab and bed are the same color, kind of an "urban camo", but it's all there and has 3 perfect American Racing wheels. The Blazer will be a daily driver, I don't plan on too much offroad or rough stuff with it at this point. I've been back and forth in my mind on how to do the Blazer - I wanted something I could beat on, but at the same time I wanted a semi-show truck and a reliable daily driver. Now I can have both, so I will.
Now my friends are doing their best to get me to put my pump gas 565 in the truck. I'm actually considering it, but won't do a lot of rock crawling with that, too easy to snap an axle with a blip of the throttle. The 565 will make in the neighborhood of 725hp/725tq. Reckon I could tear up some $hit with that? We have a few creek bottoms and low spots that the 4-wheeling crowd plays at after a rain, so that would be it's main destination. I've seen enough rock crawling to know that I don't want to do a lot of that, just some of the easier stuff (yeah, right) at least at first.
Since I'll have a couple of spare NP203's, I will have a gear reduction box to connect to the NP205, so going with the doubler right off the bat might be the best way so I don't have to tear it down and have new shafts, etc. built when I decide to go that way.
Just like a woman in a shoe store - too damned many choices and I like 'em ALL :D
 
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725hp/752tq! :eek1: Goodness, that's a lot of dang power!!! Sounds like a sweet motor! BUT, I wouldn't use it unless you plan on having to totally beef the drivetrain and make a mud racing rig. (IMO) You don't need tons of power to have a good crawler/multisport rig for crawling, just let your gearing take care of things, especially with the doubler! Tons of power=broken parts, especially when you've got a lot of torque multiplication due to lower gears. If you want a reliable multi-purpose rig that won't leave ya stranded, I'd go doubler for crawling gears, a mild to medium motor (enough power to spin 'em in the mud but, nothing excessive), mild lift, 35's with the stock stuff, bigger if ya go 1 tons.

Just as an example, I'll tell ya about my build, I think it's gonna be a pretty good multi-purpose rig:
87 K5 GMC Jimmy
Stock replacement crate motor 350 w/ electric fans, headers, custom exhaust
SM 465 and 203/205 doubler (woulda gone 700R4 but, I just wanted a manual for the heck of it.)
Dana 60 with ARB air locker
14 BFF with Detroit and discs
3" TC EZ rides up front w/ ORD HD shackles
Stock springs with ORD shackle flip out back
37" Cooper Discoverer STT muds

I was in the same spot as you a few months ago, trying to figure out what direction to take with my build. I poked around here looking at builds for quite a while before I decided how to set mine up. There's a lot of great builds and very knowledgeable/helpful people on here! My build is still in pieces right now so, we'll see how it works out! ;)
 
Yeah, I'd really like to save the 565 for a shortwide '96 - '99, I want to build one and paint it to look like a 454SS. Everyone knows how slow those are and I'd like to surprise 'em, plus I like the body style.
At this point, it looks like I'll go with a mild/moderate 454, 9" rearend, NP205 case and adapt one of the NP203 rear reduction boxes on it. I'm going to stick with the 1/2 ton front end until I break it, then look at upgrading to the Dana 60.
Looks like you have all the heavy duty stuff for some serious mudding and crawling, I'm looking forward to seeing how it works out.
 
A little cheaper than a 9" , and easier to bolt in is a 14bsf , 9.5 " ring gear , bigger bearings , 33 spline shafts , larger lug studs , and disc brake kits available . They came on 454ss in 5 lug , 3/4 ton trucks and Subs in both six and 8 lug .
 
Yeah, I've been on the lookout for the SF, haven't been able to locate one yet. I already own a good N center section with a billet pinion support and a Ford clutch type posi, and I have a buddy with a set of 4.11 Pro Gears that I could use. Basically, I'll need to have spring perches and shock mounts located and lug holes redrilled.
 
No, I haven't. I bought the '77 with a dead engine and this one has no engine. I haven't been 4-wheeling in about 20 years, this is getting back into it.
Where do you go to play around here?
 
We go out to Post once a month. We are actually going next weekend. You should come out. There is something for everyone. Let me know if you need any ideas. :D
 
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