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CA not allowed to set own emissions laws.

i've never worried about it, never plan to live there.. just always wondered how much longer till other states started that crap.. That ^ makes me feel good.
 
I think it is BS. Our federal govt is WAY too into our state's business. It is not like there will be no emissions laws, it is they will be the federal govt standards. I think it is absurd that folks in DC think they no what is best for folks in CA.
 
I think it makes perfect sense for these standards to be set by the feds. As much as I dislike the federal government making laws for the states, this makes perfect sense. It would be retarded for automakers to make 50 different vehicles to meet 50 different emission standards. I think the feds know whats good for CA just as much as CA knows what's good for OK. Most things need to be left to individual States, but when it's something like this that is 100% interstate, then it is the feds job. ATF for example.
 
doesn't make it right.

But no, they don't. There's CA emissions, then the rest of the world. Or CA, the rest of the US, then the rest of the world. Not sure. But if more states started making up their own laws then problems would follow. Try to follow the most stringent, but then this state wants such and such technology, this state hates that and wants this instead... Depending on what the Universities come up with...
 
I didn't say that it did. But Ca. has laws that the auto makers comply with and pas on the costs to the consumer. If other states want laws that are different, their consumers will have to pay for it. Its really not that big a deal IMO. That's why we have the right to vote.
 
There are currently 2 types of vehicles. Those with CA emissions and those with Federal emissions. California's happen to be the most strict out of the 17 states that currently have emissions requirments that are more strict than the federal requirement. The other 16 states us CA emissions vehicles (from what I can find). Where it gets messed up is as of this year there are 0 light duty diesels for sale (2008 models). No more TDIs in California because of the more strict emissions requirments in the state.

Basically the factories can not make the small diesels produce the amount emissions acceptable to Ca but they meet the Federal standard. The result is CA will not allow the sale of those vehicles in the state.

I personally like the idea of a Federal Emissions Standard and that is it. In theory the savings would be passed to the consumer as far as development and production costs but we all know it will go in the pockets of the manufacturers.

Dik
 
cbbr said:
I didn't say that it did. But Ca. has laws that the auto makers comply with and pas on the costs to the consumer. If other states want laws that are different, their consumers will have to pay for it. Its really not that big a deal IMO. That's why we have the right to vote.
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Damn you beat me:doah:

Dik
 
Yeah, but gov regulations take away something consumers don't often think about. Freedom of choice. Now, I think that it's the feds job to create those rules, if rules are to be created. I'm okay with not making the auto industry do anything. I back the idea of letting consumers decide what they want. And the industry will do what the consumers want. Or they'll go away. It really is that simple. And it's typically more effective than regulations.
 
Economics takes away freedom of choice. I guarantee you that if enough people wanted a Kali TDI, and would pay a little extra, VW would make them.
 
I say California should with draw from the union and become a country of their own, Problem solved :haha:

They could become Mexifornia :haha::haha::haha:
 
What if I buy a Fed compliant (but not CA compliant) vehicle and move to CA? Or what if I live in CA and drive to the next state over and buy a car there?
 
BGKYK5 said:
What if I buy a Fed compliant (but not CA compliant) vehicle and move to CA? Or what if I live in CA and drive to the next state over and buy a car there?
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The rule is 90 days. If you own the vehicle for 90 days or more you can bring it into the state with no impact. If not either a) you cannot register in the state or b) you have to pay a usage tax which is equivalent to CA sales tax for other vehicles.

The problem is you still have to pass smog and visual. If you have a TDI or something like that it is required to be smogged and it will fail so no registration.

It really only impacts the small diesels not the 3/4 and 1 tons as they do not have testing requirments, yet.

Dik
 
That is my point. What if I happen to have an '08 diesel that I bought someplace else, and I relocate to CA for a job? Now I can't bring my car with me to CA? That (to me) is the biggest reason there should be only one emissions standard nationwide.
 
BTW this is all hypothetical, I don't have an '08 vehicle of any kind, and I am NOT moving back to CA. :D
 
BGKYK5 said:
That is my point. What if I happen to have an '08 diesel that I bought someplace else, and I relocate to CA for a job? Now I can't bring my car with me to CA? That (to me) is the biggest reason there should be only one emissions standard nationwide.
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Yep basically.

If you are military it is easier as you can keep the plates from your home of record or you last duty station and not have to meet the CA stuff unless you base requires smog for a sticker. But most of them are stupid and you tell them it is a diesel and they will give you a sticker anyways.

Dik
 
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