@^&!**%*^@ Chrysler

[73k5blazer]

Or some just plain common sense. Most northern European countries have very strict rules on cars and tires in particular in the winter, and chain use as well. Your fined heavily if caught running around without winter tires or your tires are bald.
Not being a big fan of that heavy regulation, you don't necessarily need to mandate winter tires, but you could make laws that if your bald tire vehicle caused an accident, your penalized much heavier, like drunk driving, it's a choice. How you market that into something that results in less road salt use, I dunno, but, it follows that if people were driving more responsibly, less salt would be required. You certainly don't need to "pre-salt" roads before s storm.

 

[Blue85]

Yes, totally right. Driving in weather your car isn't set up for is a form of reckless driving, like not having headlights or seatbelts. Do we expect the road commission to keep the roads passable for motorcycles at all times, too? It would also be awesome if the name "All Season Radial" went away. I bet the long-term cost is less for people to swap tires twice a year than the vehicle damage and the cost of all the salt. Not to mention the environmental impact of manufacturing so many more cars.

AND...Dodge oil pans would last longer.

 

[diesel4me]

I've had the same thought that politically this issue could gain some real traction (pun intended) if it was pitched as an environmental concern. If you gripe about rusty cars, the edge of the lawns being dead, etc. you're seen as a whiner. If you cry to save the planet, save the fishes, people will jump on your socially conscious bandwagon. The drawback could be increased spending instead of reduced if they go the wrong way and just switch to more expensive ice melters.

Yeah--those why cry about trees being cut down for lumber,or firewood due to beetle or gypsy moth infestation ,don't say squat about all the ones killed by salt exposure...convenient "environmentalism" ,they only complain about SOME of the problems,not all of them..
When it comes down to humans vs trees or other animals ,its no surprise those types will opt to save a human life by salting roads or shooting an endangered species..we are MUCH more important,after all....kind of hypocritical ,huh ?..

 

[campfire]

@73k5blazer, is this a Chrysler problem or a Cummins problem?

 

[sweetk30]

i showed this to my buddy who owns his shop and he has done almost 1dozen trans pans on mopar products in over 3 month time as of the other day . rusted out bad .

 

[diesel4me]

Rotted oil pans are common around here on just about every brand of car or truck..Fords seem to have the most,and the 7.3 diesels are noted for rotted oil pans that suck to replace,you must hoist the cab up to get the motor up high enough to get it off!..

Hardly a week goes by I don't see a rotted oil pan in my friends scrap pile at his shop,he does a lot of replacements...and has nothing good to say about aftermarket ones,they fit poorly,leak,and the factory one he recently got for a 360 V8 in a Dodge Ram had a weird dipstick "guide" welded inside the pan,that ended up rubbing on the crankshaft counterweight and wouldn't allow the dipstick,which is like 3+ feet long, to slide in and out properly--had to order another one from the dealer,do the whole job over again,and that one happened to fit correctly..

Lots of FWD cars rot the oil pans out around here too..the ones with an exhaust pipe an inch away seems to be the spots that rot fastest ..

 

[Blue85]

LS-swap or Duramax swap, problem solved.

I've never had a problem with oil pan rust in any vehicle. "chevrOLET" could explain the K5, which has a 20-year old stock oil pan, but same story for all of my FWD cars ever, including one with 210,000 year-round rust belt miles on it (and it never leaked oil). I've scrapped 5+ GM 3800 steel pans in the last few years and none had any rust other than some surface rust in scratches where the pan had been dragged over something. Some weren't even oily. Of course the LS-Vortec trucks won't have this problem (they will probably just lose the brake lines or something else...)

I'm also thinking of GM transmission pans, which seem to be aluminized steel or something and they seem to last forever, too.

 

[diesel4me]

I've seen several GM automatic tranny pans rust on the inside!--more than a few we sold at the junkyard that sat a long time before being pulled and sold,were found to have a layer of rust that peeled off the bottom of the pan in one piece and got sucked up against the filter,starving the pump of fluid...the external parts of the pan still looked decent too,not rust at all,due to enough seepage of ATF to preserve them I suppose..

All but a few of those transmissions worked after dropping the pan and flushing the crap out--a few the pans had to be replaced due to pinholes rusted from the inside out..the valve bodies were pretty rusty too,but spraying them off with brake cleaner seemed to be enough to clean them up good..those transmissions probably had water or condensation in them awhile to cause the rust..

Aluminum pans seem to crack too,they cant rust,but they crack fairly easily and I have seen some type of white fungus looking corrosion eat thru a few too--maybe battery acid or salt did it ?..so they aren't a cure all either really..

 

[73k5blazer]

@73k5blazer, is this a Chrysler problem or a Cummins problem?

Cummins is very quick to point out when asked (i emailed them during my search of other pans) they make a pan for this engine, but it does not fit the Ram trucks. The engine is Cummins, the pan is Chrysler's.

 

[imiceman44]

Cummins is very quick to point out when asked (i emailed them during my search of other pans) they make a pan for this engine, but it does not fit the Ram trucks. The engine is Cummins, the pan is Chrysler's.

Now that makes sense why the pan is so bad

 

[AJMBLAZER]

<——again, doesn’t miss Michigan one bit.

They salt/brine the crap out of the roads in Kentucky when they think it’s going to snow but most years that’s 5-6 times max and then it rains and washes it off.

 

[rhinoblzr]

Wow, that pan looks sick. My pan still looks perfect on my 5.9 but I live in ca. Thanks for posting.