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Crossover steering owners

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I know it says not to weld the kit all the way around, but we did. I am not an engineer nor a welder but that's how we did it.

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Welding in the wrong area's of your frame can actually make it weaker and prone to breaking again. Watch it closely.
 
Actually I looked at it again. It is welded horizontally all the way across but in the vertical plane it is only stich welded. According to Kidjethro (and I really trust his welding experience) the main problem would be if it had too many vertical welds.

I have the bolt on brace coming and I made some plates for the inside of the frame that look like big huge washers. They're 1/4" thick 1 1/2" in diameter and they're going to be welded into the frame with the bolts and box installed to ensure that especially that one hole that looks really shitty will have solid metal all the way around it. That, replacing all those rivets with washers, and the weld in patch combined with the bolt in patch should be enough.

If I don't like the results of that, I'm pulling a Steve Frisbie on that damn thing!! /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
well i have one on order.. we will see if it does what yall say it does.. called ord and added it to my order for my xover.. which just shipped!!! so yall say that all I need is the bolt in kit? $105 + s/h... Im still gonna do the hydro assist.....

you say hydro assist connects to the tierod & axle.. why couldnt I connect it to the factory d60 knuckle... leave the factory arm there and hook to it.. buy new studs for the other side? /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
 
the factory arm is designed to be pushed forward and backward when you look at the front of the axle. The hydraulic assist mounts pushing side to side. Only things going side to side are the tierod and draglink, what are you going to mount to?
 
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Actually I looked at it again. It is welded horizontally all the way across but in the vertical plane it is only stich welded. According to Kidjethro (and I really trust his welding experience) the main problem would be if it had too many vertical welds.

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Good to hear /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif I know a retired welder that did alot of repairs to semi trucks, dump trucks etc and that is pretty much what I have heard from him as well.
 
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so yall say that all I need is the bolt in kit?

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No. If you have a front locker, crossvoer steering, and big tires, you need the weld in patch as well as the bolt on brace.

This is covered on ORD's site.
 
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This is covered on ORD's site.

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maybe someone needs to tell them that they need to educate the people calling... they didnt tell me any of that.... bahh.. ill be fine... what you dont know is that im going to put a 12k hydraulic MM winch in between the frame rails.. im gonna use 1/4" plate to make a U with big tops and bolt it in.. and reinforce EVERYTHING... so I should be good for now.. plus when the truck goes on the road it will be a good month of breaking stuff in... NO WHEELIN!!! got front and rear axle, ubolts front and back, pistons to seat.. so it will be a run to wawa, walmart, parts stores.. all babied so I can keep on re-checking bolts.. by then I should have the money for the winches... /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
also gonna do a 12k electric under the bed...

ta boot im gonna cut my tube bumpers and install the roller fairlead in the bumpers for a clean look and great approach angles.. /forums/images/graemlins/woot.gif /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif
 
The bolt on brace will help an awful lot, I'll tell you that.

If you'd actually called John at Autofab, the company that makes ORD's braces, he's very knowledgeable and helpful on this issue. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

If ya call ORD and need tech advice, talk to the Dr. himself. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
That looks GREAT! I'm glad I did it all at once. I put in the weld on kist and the bolt on brace when I replaced my pump and saw a nice 3 inch crack leading away from one of the holes.
 
florida4x4-YES, the 1st gens are very prone to cracking at the steering box as well. I would think your 72 would have the brace welded to the inside of the frame rail(if not yours would be the 1st 71 or 72 I've heard of without one). I would like to see a pic of K5MONSTERCHEV's steering setup as I'm putting a D60 under the front of a 72 Jimmy and would like x-over as well. Also as K5MC said the rivets in the front spring holders will give next!
 
Re: Crossover steering owners (I cry foul)

Tim,

I have a very hard time believing that a crossover puts THAT much more stress on the box/frame than the front/back style. I would believe that possibly the joint on the steering-box end of the draglink bound up and pried that box right off the frame. Looking at the holes would help determine if this is what happened. I just can't accept that the box ripped off the frame because you were steering hard. If anything crossover would lessen the stresses on the box/frame.

Can you post closeups of the holes in the frame? Or maybe the steering box and with the frame chunks on it?

Andy
 
Re: Crossover steering owners (I cry foul)

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I have a very hard time believing that a crossover puts THAT much more stress on the box/frame than the front/back style.

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Well believe it because it does. It is putting pressure in a completely different direction. front/back steering sorta makes the frame twist right there crossover pushes and pulles perpendicular to the frame why wouldnt it put more stress?
 
Re: Crossover steering owners (I cry foul)

I am going to be a distributor for the bolt on brace soon too, so not only can I be the captain of the steering box repair awareness group, I can sell you the repair as well. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
I disagree. I personally think that if your frame is NOT already cracked, the brace (such as what ORD sells) is the best option. I cracked my frame for the first time with front to back steering, then added the weld on brace after repairing it. After that I went to crossover and broke it again...this time through the weld on kit. I repaired it again and added the bolt on brace. I then broke 2 sector shafts and installed a Redneck Ram. So far I'm breakage free running 44" Boggers on a Detroit locked D60 with 5.13s....as far as steering goes. I've killed lots of warn hubs, an inner shaft, a 1480 Ujoint, and 3 35spline stubs.
 
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I disagree. I personally think that if your frame is NOT already cracked, the brace (such as what ORD sells) is the best option.

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Yes but it is not good enough by itself. You have both on your truck, which is the preferred method. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
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