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Dad's 'Mad, The no longer hibernating 1957 Nomad.

Great story so far dude!!

We immigrated to Canada when I was just 20 months old, and the first car my Dad bought was a 1957 Pontiac Safari wagon. It had a sludged up 261 six cylinder and a 'glide. He didn't know the 261 was sludged up until after he bought it. He ended up paying to have a 327 put in, which he said made the car much better! lol.

They sold the car two years or so later, I guess the whole "two door" thing made life with little kids a little difficult. Up until my Dad passed away in '97 it was the only car he ever talked about, says he should have kept etc etc...and he really wasn't much of a car guy. I have the vaguest memories of that car, I think I was 4 when they sold it.

This is pretty much what it looked like. Same colors etc. I have a pic here somewhere of the actual car but it might take me some time to find it.

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Great story so far dude!!

We immigrated to Canada when I was just 20 months old, and the first car my Dad bought was a 1957 Pontiac Safari wagon. It had a sludged up 261 six cylinder and a 'glide. He didn't know the 261 was sludged up until after he bought it. He ended up paying to have a 327 put in, which he said made the car much better! lol.

They sold the car two years or so later, I guess the whole "two door" thing made life with little kids a little difficult. Up until my Dad passed away in '97 it was the only car he ever talked about, says he should have kept etc etc...and he really wasn't much of a car guy. I have the vaguest memories of that car, I think I was 4 when they sold it.

This is pretty much what it looked like. Same colors etc. I have a pic here somewhere of the actual car but it might take me some time to find it.

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Safari’s are so cool Rene. Kinda brings your ‘57 around full circle. Which is awesome. They made such a small quantity of the Pontiac version they are really rare. Though with the old school Nomad guys from the club I’ve heard many a Pontiac Safari gave up it’s sheet metal to save a Nomad. Which now is insane to think about but nobody wanted the Pontiac version back then. The roof, doors, glass and tailgate all interchange between the two. Though the poncho version has more trim. The rest of the cars are very different. The Safari rides on a 122” wb vs the Nomad having a 115” wb. They pushed the front wheels 2” forward and rear axle 5” back. Floor is different due to that. The Safari spare sits to one side and the fuel tank the opposite side vs the Nomad center mounted spare and tank.

They are sweet cars for sure. Thanks for sharing your story too.

I will admit hauling a family of five with the two doors was a chore on my folks, Mom in particular. But there was no escaping either. We were within arms reach of getting smacked if we misbehaved. Which did happen.

The trip to Indy the car was so packed you couldn’t see past the back seat. Floor to ceiling with luggage.
 
I think the Canadian Safari was more similar to the Nomad, it would have been built on the same assembly line as the Chevy in Oshawa back in the day. Just like my '57 Pathfinder. Yeah, Nissan stole the name...

The American version was more mechanically similar to the Buicks of the day.
 
The Nomad and Safari Bodies were all put together in the Fisher body plant in Cleveland Ohio. Final assembly on the Nomads could have happened at any of the Chevy assembly plants across the country. I don't know about the Safari's though.

I would be remiss to mention something that @captron surprised me with Saturday when we met up at the cruise. He's just as guilty of pushing me over the edge as the rest of you clowns. He handed this to me.

I remember this edition as a kid and this one is in great shape. The 70's street freak versions of some of the Nomads inside really brought back memories. I know at one time I had a copy but probably can't find it. Thanks Ron. That meant a lot that you thought of me to grab it. It's going in a safe place for sure.

The 70's street freaks did have an influence on me. I really wanted to paint our car black with hot rod flames on the front clip. Tilt front end, blown small block on top of a solid front axle gasser style. My Dad looked at me like I had a horn growing out of my forehead. Naturally, he shot me down on my design idea.

My coworker and I were talking about the car today and he's been trying to get my Dad to get any of the cars out and got the same brush-off I did. He and I went to the same high school, though he was a couple of years behind me. His brother and I graduated the same year and played youth soccer together. Both bought cars from my Dad and he took them on like an extra couple of sons. Dad and my coworker usually met up for lunch once a week prior to me moving back up here. While my Mom was sick and getting worse (she really got angry and argumentative without a lot of reason) he was the escape to just get away for an hour or so and not think about the present. Later with Mom in hospice Dad would meet up for lunch 3-4 days a week. He's just as ready to get the Nomad out as I am. Even to the point of bringing his truck and trailer over to load the car on and bring the car back over to the shop so we can put it on the lift and get stuff done over a weekend.

He's got some of the jack/skates from snap-on we can put under the flat tires to get it out, but I need to scrounge up a set of 14" or 15" wheels with tires on them to load the car on the trailer. I'm going to take a dive into the garage this weekend and go over how to start the cleanup.
 
Going strictly off of memory since I can’t open the hood, but I remember them being double hump fuelie heads. Part of what’s driving that memory is I’ve been told it has a pretty high static compression ratio. It’s not as high as the dual quad car, but it’s 9.5 to 10.0:1 at minimum. It’s not happy on 91 octane fuel. It explains its thirst for 104 octane boost.

This is where the Vortec heads come in. With the right head gasket we can drop compression slightly but still have better flow.

Dad already had sent them off to a machine shop to get the spring pockets opened up and the valve guide bosses cut down. They have Z28 springs now. They are a coat of paint away from being ready to install.

He’s already got a cam and lifter set ready when/if we pulled the heads. It’s the GM “151” L-79 350hp 327 unit. It’s a hydraulic unit but still has a nice little rumble to the idle. And in typical Dad fashion, it’s an actual NOS GM cam in the gm cardboard tube.

I don’t mind the trade for the ultimate hp for easy street manners and less maintenance on the valve train.


That part of the project can happen after the car gets moving.

Gotcha. From your original post I could not tell if you still had the fuelie heads on it, or if you had already changed the heads.

If it were mine, I would leave the fuelie heads on it. More of a Day Two car that way. The machine shop John is always at says it takes a LONG time to hammer out soft valve seats with unleaded fuel. I doubt you would have any trouble with the limited mileage this car will see.

Martin
 
So cool. I have a case of cam 2 lead substitute in my cabinet. Happy to send ya a couple for free. I still run it in my 67 Buick special wagon with a 340. I also have a distributor converted to an oil pump primer. Someone welded on a 3/8 drive socket on to it. Works awesome. Happy to send it down and you can send it back when yer done.
I would love to help with anything if you need it.
 
So cool. I have a case of cam 2 lead substitute in my cabinet. Happy to send ya a couple for free. I still run it in my 67 Buick special wagon with a 340. I also have a distributor converted to an oil pump primer. Someone welded on a 3/8 drive socket on to it. Works awesome. Happy to send it down and you can send it back when yer done.
I would love to help with anything if you need it.
For the limited use, this one will see I'm less concerned about the need for leaded fuel. I've already got a converted distributor for oil pump priming in the garage. The last time it was used on the 350 we built for my Nova if I remember right. Thanks for the offer though.
 
I had 5 ,tri-5's, one was a 57 Nomad, a 57 short bed small window, original black/silver drop top with factory air! and part owner on a 57 Bel Air non post. I miss each and every one of them including my 55 long bed small window and the '55 210 2 door wagon. Sigh... We did attend the Vail Colorado get together in the 70's. Seeing all those Nomads in one place was so awesome! the Nomad originally had a 348 with a turbo glide in it. It was gone when I bought it so I installed a 327 with a cast iron powerglide I was able to scrounge up. IF that original drive train was in it I can only imagine what that combo would be worth! Yes I looked at the build tag and it did say 348 turbo glide. It must have been some kind of special order is all I can guess. I miss all my old tri-5's and wish I could buy another one, two or three...LOL. Many happy motoring memories with yours!
 
I need to update where I’m at on the car. As many know from my other thread my Dad passed earlier this year and I never got the chance to get him out in any of the cars one last time besides the SS Trailblazer.

While missing that goal was a personal disappointment, I’ve realized the work needed to unearth the car would have given him a stroke. He would have been very nervous and unsettled seeing things get moved around it. My sisters and I felt it was easier on my Dad to not upset him to get that process going.

It’s taken a lot. We’ve discovered a lot too. Much like an archeological dig. We’ve found a lot cleaning out the house/garages. Another bit of history first. IMG_5410.jpeg

That was the cover of the National Nomad Club magazine. Oddly enough the tires on the car in those pics are the ones I took off.


From the Brickyard.
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Some of the stuff we had to deal with. The Nomad was put more into shelf duty since the paint wasn’t as nice. But this is what had my Dad so nervous to get out since it was so packed in. That also was after we cleared a ton out!IMG_5079.jpeg

This is not normally how tight the car was to the wall. There was a stack of drywall between the car and the wall that was so tight the door couldn’t open. Dad would have to crawl out over the shifter to get out the passenger side.

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Same thing back here. There was a shelf behind the car that blocked access to the car.

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A little peek under the hood. Lots of dust and spider webs. No mouse turds thankfully. You can see stuff on either side of the car here too.IMG_4952.jpeg

The guy that owns the car in the next pic was one of my Dad’s ‘57 buddies. They worked together at the highway dept. Dad was his best man at his wedding. The guy is probably just as knowledgeable on 57’s as my Dad was. I ran into him at a local car show the weekend before blazer bash this year. He’s going to help ID parts as well as be the ‘57 subject matter expert for me since Dad is gone. My Dad helped him with this car and it’s a gorgeous super original restoration. Yes it’s a fuelie car too. IMG_5488.jpeg

I’ve actually got a little work done on the car. First up was the mystery locking lugnut. I’ve never seen one quite like it. Thankfully Dad left the key in the obvious spot of the Glovebox. Stuff the key in and the cylinder slides out of the hex cover. IMG_5871.jpeg

I pulled the shedded white walls off for some Coopers on a Saturday.
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Amazing the tires blew apart in the garage. Dad was out there when one let go. Spooked him good.
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I followed my Dad’s ocd in setting each tire on the wheel the same way on each. Though they took a ton of weight to balance. I’m going to pull the weights and use balance beads instead.
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Despite the 14” wheel size the rear tires were a huge pain to install. The rear sags from weak leaf springs and it makes stuffing the tires in under the quarters a feat of mental strength to find the right way in.
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Success!
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I also swapped out the spinners to the original center caps. The wheels are Ansen Top Eliminator units. I got lucky and found the caps in the stuff from the garage.
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Today I used my borescope to take a sneak peek inside the fuel tank. I have no delusions here. I’m betting on needing a tank. Though the rust is not super thick or flaky. I may drain the tank and see what it looks like under the nasty fuel. But the sending unit doesn’t look like a rusty barnacle so that’s promising.
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The next step will be loading it up and bringing it to my place. The goal is getting it running before spring.
 
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your dad's ocd and my ocd clash. I would rotate the tires on the wheels till they are balanced with the least amount of weight. Also many tire mfg mark the light spot on the tire with a yellow or white paint spot. If there line that spot up with the valve stem.
 
your dad's ocd and my ocd clash. I would rotate the tires on the wheels till they are balanced with the least amount of weight. Also many tire mfg mark the light spot on the tire with a yellow or white paint spot. If there line that spot up with the valve stem.
If we had a Hunter Roadforce balancer I probably would have went through the trouble of match mounting the tires to minimize weights. Our low tech balancer won’t find the spots like that machine does.

I’m going to take the easy way out and just throw balance beads in them. This car is probably still going to sit more than it’s driven and having the ability to let the beads do the job of dynamically balancing the tire despite changes in the tires over time like wear or flat spotting will be worth it.

If it was more of a quasi-daily driver I’d focus more on a conventional balance job. The other issue is being able to fit disc brakes with the small 14” wheels. Any weights stuck to the inside of the rim might be in the space where the calipers need to clear. I’ve not picked up a disc brake kit yet but I will probably have to pick up a kit with smaller rotors (like 10.5”) as the standard 11” kits may not fit the wheels.

That part alone might kill my idea of using dropped spindles since most of the kits I’ve looked at with the drop have 11” rotors. More research to do there.
 
Little surprise part my coworker John found in a box of parts for the Impala.

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I knew what it was as soon as I saw it. I’ll let you guys take a stab at guessing what it is. As far as 57’s go it’s crazy rare but not original to Nomads or wagons.
 
Rear view mirror bracket?
Ding!

Except the difference on this one is it mounts to the dash instead of the header at the top of the windshield. They only came on ‘57 4 door sport sedans (aka 4 dr hard tops) and even on those it was a late year add to them.

Main difference is the 4dr hard tops actually have a shorter rear window that renders a top mounted mirror pretty useless. It ends up seeing more headliner that out the back window.

Dad put one in the white ‘57 decades ago and has confused everyone that has seen it since. Including the editors at Super Chevy magazine that took a picture of the car and the mirror from the Super Chevy Show at Bandimere Speedway with a caption that questioned where it came from. They had the pics in the magazine a couple of months after the show with the coverage. Had they hung out to ask we would have told them.

Dad was 6 foot tall and the mirror did help with rearward vision as it was the only mirror on the car. His never had any side mirrors. My only reason to install it is because like many things Dad planned on putting it in the Nomad. He just never got to it. Plus I like the fact that it confuses people that see it.

It goes right with the traffic light viewer on the dash. Though with the mirror on the dash I won’t be able to hang a pair of fuzzy dice from it. Somebody remind me why hanging fuzzy dice from the mirror was cool?
 

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