damn i hate Cali smog laws

[thfonz98]

I'm pretty sure the truck has to have exactly what the factory put on it for that year and engine. Atleast thats how it is where I live in NC, and were pretty lenient here compared to Cali.

The basic intent of the California engine change laws is that when you do an engine swap, the new engine/transmission cannot pollute more than the original engine/transmission. This means the newly installed engine must be the same year (or newer) as the vehicle, and all emissions controls on the newly installed engine must be installed and functional. Also, you can't put a heavy-duty truck engine (over 6000 lb GVW) into an S-10 Truck because heavy-duty truck engines have less stringent emissions limits than light duty trucks.

love no smog pump on the 91

 

[4X4HIGH]

Yep, no smog pump on my 89 either.

 

[thfonz98]

Yep, no smog pump on my 89 either.

if i want to see what my 91 would look like with a lift i just got to look at yours(same paint, d,gray with light gray and tha dang orange stripe)

but to stay on topic: more reading ( http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/Chevrolet_S-10_V-8_Smog.html )

 

[Jonny-K5]

Aren't you able to use a newer engine than your vehicle ? What about a TBI motor with all the TBI stuff from say a 89 Sub .

My buddy's truck is stock with NO SMOG pump , its an 89 . Just has PCV ( which doesn't hurt only helps motors ) , EGR , EVAP CAN ( which doesn't hurt either , only helps ) and a CAT

my 89 is set up the same way. ive got thorley headers and a high flow cat. smog guy didnt even blink at em. i think your supposed to have a sticker on the radiator shroud describing the factory smog setup. this is what the tech guy goes by.

if you got the stock manifolds&intake couldnt you just put it back together so it looks visually stock?

 

[BAJA_BLAZER]

Can you say: "Change of Ownership Areas?"

My question is what can i do to pass this by cheating? I did a search and got nothin. I'm not worried about it running clean all year i just need to pass it once a year.

Any ideas?

First off, biannual smog inspections are every other year, not every year.



Secondly, you are all overlooking the biggest loophole in the California Smog Law. There are many places in California (“Change of Ownership Areas”) that are not subject to biannual smog testing! PM me if you need it spelled out more clearly.



See: http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov/stdhome.asp

And: http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov/StdPage.asp?Body=/Smogcheck/doineed.htm

And: http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov/ftp/pdfdocs/Program_Map-Dec_2003.pdf



And, that is why I am Smarter Than Dirt!

 

[Eric M.]

Swap in a 6.2, take it to a referee, get it retaged or vinned as a diesel truck and your now smog exempt for life. Swap back in your 350 and your good to go.

With the way the CA smog laws are changing, I wouldn't be surprised if they started a bi-annual visual inspection of diesels just to make sure they're still diesels. I actually heard rumor of this. I got burned on the 10,000 GVW deal back in 1985. I bought a 1 ton (10,000 GVW) which, by the smog laws back then, only needed to be smoged when change of ownership occured. Well, I smogged that badboy and swapped in a blown 454. Imagine my surprise 5 years later when I started getting smog requests when my regisrtration was due!



Eric M.

 

[dirtwarrior17]

Ok, I checked the dmv link and im Basic area code which means its the same as it always been .... once every two years.

It has a cat, egr, pcv, on right now and i might be able to get the AIR back on but it will require me putting in my old y pipe and moving my muffler from the passenger side to the driver side.

My question is... if i *detune* it with the prominator or lean it out before inspection and run the techron valve cleaner with the egr, pcv, and cat will it pass? I don't want to put the AIR back on because its a huge PITA. The smog pump is on the motor and hooked up to the belt but it just blows air at the battery because the tube isn't hooked up.

Sounds like the headers will be ok for visual inspection and the exhaust leaks on my header and collectors should help me out a little bit if he doesn't notice them.

I can't do another swap... at least not for a long time. Don't have the money or time.

F*ckin cali.........

 

[BAJA_BLAZER]

Ok, I checked the dmv link and im Basic area code which means its the same as it always been .... once every two years.

SO MOVE TO A "Change of Ownership Area" and you won't have to smog it ever! Do I have to spell it out?

My question is... if i *detune* it with the prominator or lean it out before inspection and run the techron valve cleaner with the egr, pcv, and cat will it pass? I don't want to put the AIR back on because its a huge PITA. The smog pump is on the motor and hooked up to the belt but it just blows air at the battery because the tube isn't hooked up.

F*ckin cali.........

NO! You won't pass the visual inspection.

 

[dirtwarrior17]

because of the AIR?


I bet i could find a shop that wouldn't mind the headers... I hope.

 

[BAJA_BLAZER]

because of the AIR?


I bet i could find a shop that wouldn't mind the headers... I hope.

Wouldn't it be easier to find a P.O. Box in a "Change of Ownership Area" that you could "live" at. That is your last clue.

 

[K5MONSTERCHEV]

I didnt read most of this. Does it pass the emissions test? On the underhood label, how many of the items ARE hooked up? Would it pass the visual if the smog pump was there, thats all? PM me if you want, I might be able to help.

 

[Eric M.]

PM me if you want, I might be able to help.

Now here's the guy you want to talk to. Check out his profile ....
I knew there was someone here in that profession.

Eric M.

 

[SUPER'BURB]

after dealin with that a few times i got smart.
my new rig is built on a '73 frame.
sorry,i know it dosn't help but next time i bet you'll do the same.

 

[BigBen]

my new rig is built on a '73 frame.

I thought this too when I was building my '74 out there. Then they informed me that even exempt vehicles are expected to remain stock and emission legal.

The guy I talked to claimed that if a cop stopped you and checked it he could send you in for smog if it didn't look right. Even if it was an 'exempt' vehicle, you're supposed to keep it smog legal. Even without the biannual inspection.

Don't know if this true or not. I didn't worry about it for the 3 months I drove it before moving back to Michigan.

 

[Eric M.]

Maybe camsk5 can tell us more about this?

I thought this too when I was building my '74 out there. Then they informed me that even exempt vehicles are expected to remain stock and emission legal.

Yep,

You're right about that. Someone here mentioned how they were pulled over by some kind of "Smog Patrol" and they wrote him up for missing parts on his 73. There was a whole thread on it. If you get caught several times, they can take and destroy your vehicle. It wouldn't be just any cop as none of them are trained to know what all smog equipment comes on every year and make of vehicle, it was a very spacific smog inspection set up on the side of the road and pulling vehicles over.

I never heard of this before and have never seen one. I'm guessing no matter what you do, there is always the risk of getting caught. But, I'm thinking building a pre 75 rig is pretty safe .... the odds of getting nailed by one of these guys seems pretty slim.

If CAMSK5 reads this, maybe he can tell us a little more about this type of "sting" operation.


Eric M.

 

[Jonny-K5]

I thought this too when I was building my '74 out there. Then they informed me that even exempt vehicles are expected to remain stock and emission legal.

The guy I talked to claimed that if a cop stopped you and checked it he could send you in for smog if it didn't look right. Even if it was an 'exempt' vehicle, you're supposed to keep it smog legal. Even without the biannual inspection.

Don't know if this true or not. I didn't worry about it for the 3 months I drove it before moving back to Michigan.

ya thats true. just causs its exempt doesnt mean you can do whatever u want. they could bust u if they wanted to be dicks, but ive never heard of one actually telling you to do so.unless u got smoke pouring out the exhaust, your pretty safe. most cops around my area are pretty cool anyway.

dirtwarrior, i think youll have to install your old manifolds. i got away with having non AIR headers causs my truck didnt come with AIR. if yours came with AIR and you want headers, you gotta get them with AIR tubes. edelbrock and thorley both make them. they wont pass u visually if you dont have tubes when your sticker says it comes w/ em.

 

[1-ton]

The more I read this thread, the more I am glad I got the "HELL" out of California. When I first moved to California in the mid-70's it was a great place to live, but over time all the lawyers, homo-fags, and Communist liberal politicians have f*cked the place up. I hope all the people moving here to Las Vegas from California leave there faggety, Communist liberal ways in California, and do not bring them here.

 

[dirtwarrior17]

lmfao.......

K5monsterchev: I can't PM so ill do it here....

the truck is an 88 that came with a smog pump/AIR,pcv, egr, and cat. The only thing im gonna run into to problems with is the AIR... the rest i can run without a problem. I know edelbrock makes the headers but they are 400$ and i would also have to come up with another y pipe and i don't have that kind of money.

I'm hoping he will just look to see if the smog pump is there and say its ok... even though that will probably never happen. I could even drill a few holes and weld some bungs in the headers for the air and have custom AIR flowtech afterburners and y pipe. The problem is this is gonna take some serious $$$ out of my prominator/labtop fund. I'm pretty sure if i don't have a prominator on it its worless to try to get it to pass smog. May be the opposite tho... i don't know.

Basically if i can pass the visual im almost positive that with some prominator leaning, and some techron valve cleaner it will pass.

 

[beater_k20]

i baffles me why someone who lives in Cali would even think to build something that would fail to pass visual inspection. a sniffer or dyno test, yeah, i could see that. i've never been west of the Mississippi, and i know if my truck was supposed to have AIR on it in Cali, and i was going to register it in Cali, not only would the AIR be there, but everything else would be there and functioning as well. give them a chance to destroy my pride and joy without anything that i can do to prevent it? I DONT THINK SO!

 

[dirtwarrior17]

thats y it looks like i'm welding and drilling my headers for the AIR... i don't know why i didn't think of that before...


As far as thinking about building something that might not pass inspection....


Another 135 hp.