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Oldsmobile motors? At least I *think* they're olds.

I have seen like four or five 70-80 trucks in the local yards, each of them has this motor. I can't find a picture, but it has an oil filler tube on the front, dizzy in the chevy position, q-jets, and 7? bolts holding down the valve covers...I'm positive it's not just a BBC either, one truck had the tag thingy on the Radiator support. Said it was a 305?:confused:

It's baffled the hell out of me and i can't figure it out. I'm beginning to think they were a factory thing, or randomly a bunch of people swapped them in and out of sheer luck they all ended up at the same yard?:confused:
 
Olds 350 Diesel comes to mind , but wouldn't have a Q-Jet . Possibly swapped ? I personally helped a yahoo stick a Pontiac in one of those trucks 15 years ago .
 
Yes there were 350 olds engines in some of the older chevy trucks.
 
Okay, I feel better now.

These any better than a standard SBC of the same era?

Was it moslty a GMC thing? Come to think of it, 2 of them were marked GMC.
 
A quick and easy way to identify a small-block Olds is to look at the thermostat housing. The nipple that the upper hose connects to will come straight out the fron at a 45* angle and have a steel bypass tube that looks sort of like an inverted "J" with a small chunk of 3/4" heater hose connecting it to the top of the water pump.

As far as availability goes, I have never heard of an Olds gas motor being factory equipment (might be possible), but the 78-80 trucks came with 350 Olds diesels. It would be a simple swap to an olds gas motor as the diesel was externally identical to a gas Olds. If the trucks have Hydroboost, I'd put money on it being a conversion. The Olds diesel got a bad rap, I feel, quite undeservingly. They were actually a pretty good motor, but they suffered from lack of knowledge in regards to repair and maintenance. Very few people in that era knew much of anything about diesels, especially that they can't be maintained like a gas engine. This hurt their image quite a bit. Also, their injection pumps were not fantastic, but when maintained (there is that word again) they would actually live a fairly long happy life. I know a couple guys that had them and used them for commuting to/from work. One guy still has his. Other than (what we now consider normal--mainly changing fuel filters on a regular basis) maintenance and a few gaskets it is original with somewhere around 250K on it and it still runs great. He drove it across the country a few years ago and got around 23mpg with it.

Better or worse than a SBC of the same vintage?? In my opinion, an Olds motor is WAAAAY better than a SBC of any vintage. I have had the pleasure of owning several Olds powered vehicles and IMHO there is no comparison. The only thing I ever did to Olds motors (whether they were mine or a customer's) was at about 200K put a timing chain kit in them and maybe a set of rocker bridges IF they were worn or I (or the customer) was feeling rich--not that they were that expensive, but usually they were not necessary. That is it. I know several people who have over 200-300K on stock 350/403 Olds and other than some gaskets and a timing kit they are bone stock and still haul ass. Oldsmobile motors of the same displacement as a SBC always seemed to me to have a much broader torque curve that started at idle, but would still wind out very well. The only drawback to Olds motors is they are not a SBC, so parts for them are a fair bit more expensive and aren't so common that they can be bought at the corner convenience store.
 
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You know for years I thought the olds 350 and chevy 350 would have the same bore and stroke inside. Recently though I found out they didnt.

chevy=4" bore 3.48" stroke, 1.1481

Olds=4.057" bore 3.385" stroke, ratio of 1.1985

Witch happens to be the biggest bore and shrotest stroke of all GM 350's as some buick and pontiacs are differnt still.

buick=3.8" bore 3.85" stroke, ratio of .987

pontiac=3.875" bore 3.75" stroke, ratio of 1.0333

cadillac also had a 350 but it was the same as olds
 
hmmm. never seen a gm truck w/anything but chevy motor....does the olds have a chevy or bop bellhousing...if bop and 4x4 ..would be good trans/tc for a 500 caddy engine!

i remember a long time back, a local dragster said he was using the olds 350 block in his dragster...it was a gas burner, but had diesel block? he said it was alot better casting..not sure what all had to be done to use it, but thats what he said the block was...

i no that mid/late 70's pontiac sb 400 had chevy bellhousing...and was same as chevy from what i've heard...but from experiance i no the ponti 400 felt stronger and took more abuse than chevy sb 400...i have had several of each in 70's wagons that were used in demo derby...stoutest wagon was also pontiac body...once had a 75 pontiac wagon w/72 impala front cap(stongest front end from my experiance 71-74 chevys) it ran in 7 different derby's b4 we needed new car...iirc it went thru 18 heats...it had ponti 400/th400/9'' ford (6.33:1 gears and 29'' tires) it was a tank, dang near!
 
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All the trucks that came with Olds motors were diesel.

Since a diesel Olds and gas Olds are the same external dimensions, (both small blocks) when the Olds diesels came apart (which early on was the motors themselves, later on was because of owners) which they invariably did, a gas Olds was a quick easy install.

The exhaust and accessories bolt up identically, so it really made it an easy swap. Big blocks fit in the engine bay, so that too was an easy swap, but IIRC by the time the Olds diesels were being put in trucks, the 455 was dead, so small blocks were it.

Easiest way to tell Olds motor displacement is the cast in number next to the #1 spark plug. You can swap heads on the motors pretty easy (just like a 305 to 350 chev head) but most of the time the head casting is indicative of the engine itself. There weren't multitudes of castings like there were with GM. A "7" Olds head is a "7", and was only used for like two years. After that, a "7a", and so forth for the small blocks.
 
so do u take an olds 350 diesel and pull everything and swap in 350 gas heads and such to use the olds 350 diesel block in a gas engine? i will be going to my hometown for christmas. i will see if i can locate the man who told me his gas engine had an olds 350 diesel block and ask how he was doing it. iirc he said the olds had thicker block casting and could be bored upwards to .120 and still have good thick piston walls...more cubes w/o losing integrity.
 
Like Dorian said,many of the diesel were replaced with gas burners.I have even saw some 455's swapped in.

My dad is a mech by trade and I remember that one placed he worked at bought several(10-12) of the Olds cars with the 350 diesel's.IIRC they were bad to break headbolts off in the block's.

Fifteen years later when they went out of buisness they still had a couple of new crate motor's sitting around.
 
i understand what he said about diesels being swapped out...i'm talking about using the 350 olds diesel block in a gas engine build.
 
AFAIK you can't. You'd at least need to replace the pistons, and I have no idea if the rods are different because of that as well. They are beefier than gas rods of course, and the crank has big block journals, but you can't fit a big block crank in it. Just a whole bunch of differences that add up.

Last I looked into this (I had one of the blocks around) it would have cost me something like $10,000 to do what I wanted to do with it. It will be a lot cheaper to build up an older 350 than it is to mess with the diesel block.
 
now that u mention it, i do remember he said they were using bbc rods and custom pistons iirc...so they must have been using the crank also...he was hardcore racer so i wouldn't doubt it, if he dropped 10k+ in the engine. i may get to see him when i go home 4 christmas...if so i will pick his brain?
 
Do some checking in Hot Rad Mags archives. Back in the late 70s, early 80s, the Olds diesel block was the hot ticket in Pro Stock. I believe Warren Johnson was the guy who started it.
 
thats what i'm talking about sum1 get with me on this! so the 350 olds diesel block and crank, bbc rods, custom pistons(maybe)different yes, and what kind of head...the diesel head like a gas(i'm diesel ignorant)...or is headbolt pattern right 4 sum'n else....we talking bowtie block equivalant.?..!
 
Diesel heads are just like any other SBO head, but no combustion chamber.

Only difference prohibiting head swaps are the early/late head bolt diameter, but I can't recall when that split was.

Olds doesn't have much aftermarket head support, the Edelbrock ones were designed around the BBO, and with the "help" of Mondello, therefore they have no new technology in them, like good combustion chambers.
 

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