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Diesel guys

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Well, I guess I'd better "grab my jacket" then.

Once again:

You know EVERYTHING there is to know about diesels. All I'm capable of is "jibber jabber" and discussions in the Lounge, so I'd better get back in there and leave the "adult debates" to the men, as my contributions anywhere else on the site are without merit.

So sorry for the intrusion, oh Mighty One.
 
rjfguitar said:
Canmore, quit dancing around the topic with worthless jibber-jabber. This isn't the Lounge like you are accustomed to.

I am interested in one topic....

Diesel parts are more expensive...DONE, I am not interested in that debate as I agree with everyone.

I am trying to get you to have an adult debate with me and you are failing miserably, I expect a more adult conversation out of you Canmore (I'm serious).

I am interested in this topic and this alone...which is you telling me I don't know what i am talking about saying you can get 4K, 6K, and even 8K back on your diesel engine investment.

Once you called BS on me with this statement, I backed up my position showing you a random pick of identical trucks with gas and diesel engines, showing the huge price gap between the engine types.

I showed you PROOF that diesel version late model trucks go for 4-8K more than their gas powere counterparts, yet you still call BS and refuse to back yourself up with anything but jibber jabber that is wasting my time.

Come on Canmore, prove me wrong that I think diesel versions go for more on the used market and provide clear information showing that diesels DON'T get any more money than gas counterparts. Back up your BS flag with quality adult conversation and examples to prove your point....or grab your jacket if you can't hack it and head back to the lounge.:thumb:
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You know, you can attract more with honey than you can with vinegar.....:whistle:
 
I did it but not sure I would again. 6k for the duramax/ally combo... diesel is more per gal not to mention maintenance, oil changes are more, fuel filters every 10k, etc.....If you are going to keep it long term 8 yrs ish then I would say go for it. 2-3 yrs NOT. Don't get me wrong the power/torque is nice but for what price. Injection pumps in the Cummins, Injectors in the duramax , new engines in the fords... They all have there own issues So I guess any would be worth it for the right price. Just my .02
 
CanmoreK5 said:
Well, I guess I'd better "grab my jacket" then.

Once again:

You know EVERYTHING there is to know about diesels. All I'm capable of is "jibber jabber" and discussions in the Lounge, so I'd better get back in there and leave the "adult debates" to the men, as my contributions anywhere else on the site are without merit.

So sorry for the intrusion, oh Mighty One.
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Hmm, I just can't seem to get you on topic Paul.....:(
 
CanmoreK5 said:
Like you really care.........
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For some reason you think I am on some power trip or that my mission in life is to claim that diesels are god's gift to mankind.

I want one thing Paul, and I've asked for it now in my three last posts.

Prove me wrong that late model diesel pickups DON'T go for 4, 6, and 8K more than their gas counterparts, since you said I was completely wrong when I originally stated that.

This is the last time I will ask you to have a good productive debate with me. You said I didn't know anything about the used 3/4 and 1ton market, I backed up my claim, and I just want you to back up yours.
 
Comon you two... You both are staples around here, with vast experience and knowledge... both of you are shooting out factual experiences and data.

I would venture to say that, old diesels cannot be compared, just like old gas motors as well. Maybe back in their day they could, but neither hold a candle to their new counter parts.

Does an equally equiped truck Except the diesel motor option, depreciate at the same rate? The answer is no. The gas version depreciates at a faster rate than the diesel version. its not to say that diesels dont depreciate and that you'll always have the same 8k you initially bought it for. other than strange unforseable events (olds 5.7 diesel, for example)

THere are so many factors invovled here- inflation, market demand, etc etc. Do diesel parts cost more? Depends.

Most hard parts cost more, but routine things are about the same (air filter, oil changes; the price per quart between rotella and say mobil is minor, and you run the oil longer in the diesel, so the price/mile is the same).

instead of tune ups, you do fuel filter changes.

Do you have to replace injectors? At some point, sure. Just like on a gas motor.

This all comes down to a complex equation of price per mile, and price per hp/torque. there used to be a saying about diesels- a diesel motor's life can be directly correlated with its power output over time. As such a motor can be built to last 1 billion HP, it just depends on how fast you use it up.


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As for alternative fuels, i disagree with the statements. A home brewer can make biodiesel. Biodiesel can be made from waste vegetable oil, which has very limited use for food. The only use it has is for tallow, which is sold to make low grade pet and farming food.

Biodiesel can be conventionally made for about 40-60 cents a gallon. Its byproduct is glycerin, which is also usable as a fuel source.

Maybe it was once food, but it was already used. Its like growing banannas; you eat the banannas, but your still left with the peal. Biodiesel is like using the peal for something more useful.

THe byproduct from making vegetable oil still leaves any protein and fiber, which is then used for all natural animal feed.

Ethanol however, is not the same.

its conversion is more spendy- approximately 60-70% efficient, it wastes all of the product- the left over byproduct of ethanol has limited used- it can be burned, or used as land fill/fertilizer.

Its production of ethanol is more time consuming, dangerous, and expensive

Biodiesel is also now approximately (if not more) Potent (per cetane rating) as compared to ULSD.

Ethanol is made from fresh, single use crops. Biodiesel can be made from old, previously used oil that was already a byproduct.


Im a strong proponent of biodiesel and alternative energy sources- Just like I believe that burning wood for home heating (as well as wood pellets) are better than oil/gas/coal heat. New designs are ultra efficient. Pellet fuel is made from left over wood dust, from paper and wood production...
 
Good grief, you're like a badger.

I should hope that a used diesel-powered rig is going for more than a used gas-powered rig. Last time I checked, diesels ORIGINALLY SELL FOR MORE than gassers. If a diesel rig sells for $58K, and a gasser sells for $50K, it should make sense that the resale on a diesel would be higher by about $8K.

That is and was always the issue, Bobby. You really made it sound like your diesel-equipped truck isn't gonna depreciate like a gasser. The fact is, they all depreciate a disgusting amount, and unless you keep the truck for 8+ years, you're NEVER gonna get your money out of a diesel rig. $8K for the optional diesel engine can buy an awful lot of gasoline.

Diesels are awesome, but 50% of the people who own them don't really need them, and honestly would be better off in the long run buying a gasser, ESPECIALLY if they only plan on keeping the truck for less than 5 years.

Now please, get off my back.
 
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