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Does it NEED to be there???

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My door is vacuum-operated, not heat activated......And I know for a fact that the warm air that get sucked into the aircleaner when the door is closed is used to prevent the carb from icing up in cold weather startup.

I think what we have here is a case of a bunch of guys who THINK they know what's going on. /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
 
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HUH?????/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

My door is vacuum-operated, not heat activated......And I know for a fact that the warm air that get sucked into the aircleaner when the door is closed is used to prevent the carb from icing up in cold weather startup.

I think what we have here is a case of a bunch of guys who THINK they know what's going on. /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif


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Some vacuum systems use a retard delay valve. It traps the vacuum for a few seconds when the throttle opens. It prevents a change in the air door position if the vacuum drops off because the throttle opens..............
 
OK here is my .02, from what I understand in taking the whole thing apart (like that was any big deal) /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif, A heat sensor on the bottom of the air cleaner is hooked to a vacuum. When the sensor/engine is cold, the vacuum is working(sucking) thus forcing the butterfly in the air cleaner closed so that hot/warmer air, from the manifold, can go into the carb. Once the sender warms up, it releases a valve thereby releasing the vacuum (not sucking - couldn't think of the technical word) and in turn opening the butterfly allowing cool outside air in.

THIS IS JUST MY TAKE ON IT. I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT I HAVE PLENTY WRONG HERE. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

P.S. SO it is OK to remove the Metal air filter???? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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Hold on, the heat that comes up through the tube isn't used to warm up the engine, all it is used for is to move that butterfly open and closed in the air cleaner tube.

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Say what?!?!?! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif Then what purpose do you think that the valve in the intake serves? It doesn't just open and close because GM thought it would look cool on the snorkle. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

When the sensor in the air cleaner senses that the incoming air is too cold, it closes the valve in the intake. Look closely at the setup and you'll see that when the valve closes off the incoming cold air from the snorkel, it also OPENS the passage from the flex tube. The engine is now sucking air that is heated as it is drawn past the hot exhaust manifold. (And yes, the sheet metal that the flex tube attaches to at the manifold end just guides air over the manifold. There isn't a hole in the manifold to send hot exhaust gas up into the engine.) The heated air isn't depending on thermal currents to somehow "push" the air into the engine. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Also, that passage is obviously too small to feed a small block at wide-open-throttle. But when you romp the loud pedal, there is no longer a manifold vacuum signal, so the valve goes back to the "let's get air from the end of the snorkle" mode.

In later models, GM figured out that they didn't need to bother to use vacuum at all. There's a thermostat that directly controls the diverter valve, but it is spring loaded such that a strong intake signal (such as at WOT), can overcome the thermostat and allow cold air to come in via the snorkle.

As for the question about removing the charcoal filter from the air filter housing... Since you live in the People's Republik of Kalifornia, you'll need to take that up with the local emissions police. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif The rules there are quite different than anywhere else. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
Are you guys sure you're all talking about the same year Blazer here? /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif He said he has an '85, so let's not go comparing it to an '89 or a '76 or something.
 
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Are you guys sure you're all talking about the same year Blazer here?

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Regardless of year, the principle of operation is the same. My 1970 Blazer used a flapper in the intake snorkle that served the same pupose as the one on my '94 Suburban. The only thing that changed was the method of activation. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
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Are you guys sure you're all talking about the same year Blazer here? /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif He said he has an '85, so let's not go comparing it to an '89 or a '76 or something.

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Go back to the corn field /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
 
Alright, well I got anxious and RIPPED the charcoal off. The new heat sensor should be here today. Hopefully problem solved /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
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Say what?!?!?! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif Then what purpose do you think that the valve in the intake serves? It doesn't just open and close because GM thought it would look cool on the snorkle. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Are you serious, it's not for looks? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Wow thanks! /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
Like I said it's there to stop incoming cold air. /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
 
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Are you serious, it's not for looks? Wow thanks!
Like I said it's there to stop incoming cold air.

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Very smooth, my friend- lipping off one of the most knowledgeable guys at CK5 when all he was trying to do was nicely tell you that you were wrong.

Sheesh!!! /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
 
Thanks Guys!!! All is fixed, sensor is working and so is the valve...Truck warms up quick now!!! Also since I ripped off the charcoal filter, truck is actually getting air (i guess) and is not hesitating, or stumbling and is DEFINITELY running better!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
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Are you guys sure you're all talking about the same year Blazer here? /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif He said he has an '85, so let's not go comparing it to an '89 or a '76 or something.

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Go back to the corn field /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif

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Come on up and join me Bubba...we can go cow tipping! And after they're on the ground you can do whatever it is you Okie boys like to do /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif
 
I don't have any dyno tests to prove anyone right or wrong. I do however still have mine on there and my little 305 still thinks its a 350 in city driving.
 

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